Roach carefully picks Pac's opponents; Floyd does as well; both want each other...

[Benny Leonard]

Anybody else find this interesting?

I've always wondered if Roach would be as confident if this was Floyd fighting at 140. But my opinion would only hold true if Floyd can't fight up to what he used to fight below 147 (with the exception of the Mitchell fight)...not sure. But maybe this is what Freddie sees. Like a Hyena that spots the King Lion turn old over-night limping along and malnurished because he isn't the same hunter anymore.

Not saying they both don't take chances/risks, but they do have a tendency to get the right opponents, advantages, and at the right-time. Not all opponents, but many.

Roach looks for "names," where the fighter is at in his career, and also likes to make sure of a certain weight to fight at. The one key opponent that was a very good fighter that there wasn't these advantages was JMM. Tough fight. Prime vs. Prime...healthy.

Floyd also looks for names...money more so than where the fighter is at in his career although he is guilty as charged regardless...and for at least one fight, JMM...wanted the fighter to be at a certain weight (although increasing weight where you have the option to show up at whatever weight you please is healthier/safer than losing weight).
The best name on his resume without advantages was Chico...although Castillo would be the one fight I would say was the other where Floyd didn't have the advantages and he was given hell. Prime vs. Prime fighters.





Start time about Floyd is at 5:30...but he talks about Cotto not being the same fighter before that.


"I don't see the Greatness" {147}~ Freddie Roach






I'm just throwing this out there...

[ThePunchingBag]

Anybody else find this interesting?

I've always wondered if Roach would be as confident if this was Floyd fighting at 140. But my opinion would only hold true if Floyd can't fight up to what he used to fight below 147 (with the exception of the Mitchell fight)...not sure. But maybe this is what Freddie sees. Like a Hyena that spots the King Lion turn old over-night limping along and malnurished because he isn't the same hunter anymore.

Not saying they both don't take chances/risks, but they do have a tendency to get the right opponents, advantages, and at the right-time. Not all opponents, but many.

Roach looks for "names," where the fighter is at in his career, and also likes to make sure of a certain weight to fight at. The one key opponent that was a very good fighter that there wasn't these advantages was JMM. Tough fight. Prime vs. Prime...healthy.

Floyd also looks for names...money more so than where the fighter is at in his career although he is guilty as charged regardless...and for at least one fight, JMM...wanted the fighter to be at a certain weight (although increasing weight where you have the option to show up at whatever weight you please is healthier/safer than losing weight).
The best name on his resume without advantages was Chico...although Castillo would be the one fight I would say was the other where Floyd didn't have the advantages and he was given hell. Prime vs. Prime fighters.





Start time about Floyd is at 5:30...but he talks about Cotto not being the same fighter before that.


"I don't see the Greatness" {147}~ Freddie Roach






I'm just throwing this out there...

Everyone gives the Corrales win to Mayweather. It was a good win.

No one in their right minds would give the first JLC fight to Mayweather. JLC wasn't even in his prime.

The May-Marquez fight was not a fight. It was a propaganda match.

The Pac-Cotto fight was legit. Pac rose above everyone's expectations. Whether it's careful matchmaking by Freddie Roach or not, it takes a truly special fighter to do that.

On the other hand, I've predicted nearly every Mayweather fight since 2005 except Hatton. He hasn't really been rising above anyone's expectations for awhile now.

[shogunn]

So if Manny fights floyd, he's cherrypicking a lesser opponent?

[Benny Leonard]

So if Manny fights floyd, he's cherrypicking a lesser opponent?

I'm not actually directing this at Pac actually...more so with Roach and how he thinks and sees.

Point being: He may see Floyd has slipped and wants to hunt him down now. In a way, he is like Floyd.
Take Floyd and the way he fights...more so of late: He waits, waits, carefully chooses when to strike...and then attacks when the fighter is not the same.

[zeidrich]

roach also said mayweather is the easiest fight? you also believe it?

[Benny Leonard]

Everyone gives the Corrales win to Mayweather. It was a good win.

No one in their right minds would give the first JLC fight to Mayweather. JLC wasn't even in his prime.

The May-Marquez fight was not a fight. It was a propaganda match.

The Pac-Cotto fight was legit. Pac rose above everyone's expectations. Whether it's careful matchmaking by Freddie Roach or not, it takes a truly special fighter to do that.

On the other hand, I've predicted nearly every Mayweather fight since 2005 except Hatton. He hasn't really been rising above anyone's expectations for awhile now.

JLC wasn't in his prime...really?

Yes, I looked at the May-JMM fight as a way of getting back at Pac for Pac's wins over Hatton and Oscar...and a way of getting Pac into the ring and fans interested.

Pac-Cotto fight was legit...as in what level?
Cotto, even by Roach's standards, was not the same fighter after Margarito and Roach wasn't the only one saying it. However, he will always get a high level of credit because of where he {Pac} started at and Cotto being a Champion at 147 (even though he may not have been the same fighter).

I honestly didn't know who to choose with that fight. I thought Cotto could break his rib if he landed a clean shot to his rib-cage (which didn't happen because Pac proved to strong which surprised me)...but I did think Cotto could be taken out as a possibility because he has been down a number of times at 140 and almost taken out...and even at 147, has been hurt several times and was finished off by Margarito...and even Clottey damaged him and Cotto went into semi-retreat mode.

I didn't think the beating would be as bad as it ended up being if Pac were to win...that **** was crazy.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Everyone gives the Corrales win to Mayweather. It was a good win.

No one in their right minds would give the first JLC fight to Mayweather. JLC wasn't even in his prime.

The May-Marquez fight was not a fight. It was a propaganda match.

The Pac-Cotto fight was legit. Pac rose above everyone's expectations. Whether it's careful matchmaking by Freddie Roach or not, it takes a truly special fighter to do that.

On the other hand, I've predicted nearly every Mayweather fight since 2005 except Hatton. He hasn't really been rising above anyone's expectations for awhile now.

How was JLC not prime?

[MANGLER]

Pac's res>Mr boat buyer's res.

Both want each other, but $ will kill the fight.

[Benny Leonard]

roach also said mayweather is the easiest fight? you also believe it?

I think you may have misinterpreted it because he also said Floyd would be a tough fight because of his defense.

Combining those two opinions I take it like this: Floyd is easier than say Shane and Cotto because Shane and Cotto can do damage and have that possibility of taken Pac out (which didn't happen with Cotto), while Floyd doesn't pose that same risk of a KO so Pac is going to be in it. However, given Floyd's defensive ability, his ability to keep a distance, he can be tough because Pac may have a harder time to land and get to Floyd.


Basically: Cotto and Shane are the same risks as playing American Football while Floyd is like World-Football...if that makes sense.

[ThePunchingBag]

How was JLC not prime?

He wasn't in his prime yet. I thought 2004-2005 was his prime.