If Roy Jones Beats Both Hopkins and Dawson...

[BALLISTIC]

veteran420-u must love big asses..hahaha

who doesn't....

btw that will call for a rematch with calzaghe..

[jrosales13]

hopkins was the best at middleweight at the time, fought him also
dariusz was just a punk so roy decided to clean out the division and michal was left picking on roys leftovers

Hopkins was not the best MW of the time. Where you get that from? Julian Jackson, Reggie Johnson, Gerald McCllelan, and John David Jackson were all better than Hopkins at the time.

Dariusz was a punk but he was still the champ. And, you right about the leftovers part like Virgil Hill right?

[OTSS]

Prime Calzaghe ain't got **** on prime RJ. Bottom line. History will not be kind to Joe, rightfully so.

[SplitSecond]

Hopkins was not the best MW of the time. Where you get that from? Julian Jackson, Reggie Johnson, Gerald McCllelan, and John David Jackson were all better than Hopkins at the time.

Dariusz was a punk but he was still the champ. And, you right about the leftovers part like Virgil Hill right?

im just sayin, the ring had him ranked as number 1

and actually i meant like, richard hall, gonzalez(who beat him), derrick harmon and montell griffin

and since you attackin roy how come hopkisn did'nt fight the likes of reggie johnson, gerald mcclellan and julian jackson?

[jrosales13]

I don't remember all that except maybe a possible Dariusz fight. Can't see any of those beating Roy.

Well is hard to say and you might be right. But, the thing is that it was never proven. The Hawk was a murderous power puncher. Had a legitimate 1 punch KO power. Who knows what would of happened if they fought.

Gerald was Roy arch rival in the amateurs. He beat Roy and Gerald was a very good pro.Who knows what would of happened if they fought.

So nobody knows cuz we didn't see it. But, those were all top level fighters in Roy weightclass at the time that we didn't see. Again I am not saying he ducked them but the fights never materialized.

[hammerhiem]

http://boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=324286

and in that thread i wrote...

I had him at 100 for a top 100 i did but on reflection he sat comfortably in the 80-100 region.

Hardly something to be ashamed off.

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Hopkins was not the best MW of the time. Where you get that from? Julian Jackson, Reggie Johnson, Gerald McCllelan, and John David Jackson were all better than Hopkins at the time.

Neither was Jones. He was as much a contender as Hopkins. I'm not sure if this, in some way, hurts Jones. He and Hopkins fought for Toney's title. Going forward, it was Hopkins who dominated the middleweight division - none of those guys you mentioned stuck around or were as relevant.

Every fighter had fights that didn't happen for one reason or another. It's how their resumes stack up at the end of the day that we measure them by. And Jones' resume is underrated on these boards.

[jrosales13]

im just sayin, the ring had him ranked as number 1

and actually i meant like, richard hall, gonzalez(who beat him), derrick harmon and montell griffin

and since you attackin roy how come hopkisn did'nt fight the likes of reggie johnson, gerald mcclellan and julian jackson?

The ring had Dariusz ranked #1 but Dariusz was the real lineal champion. The ring dropped the ball with that one. Virgil Hill beat Henry Maske for the lineal championship and then Dariusz beat Virgil. that is where he got the lineal claim.

For example The ring has the Flyweight title as vacant. But, Daisuke Naito is the the real lineal champion.

Hall and Harmon were not really good fighters. And, Dariusz was passed his prime when he lossed to Gonzalez. The same way Roy was passed his prime when he lossed to Calzaghe.

I am not attacking Roy. But, he never won a real lineal championship in none of the 4 weightclasses he fought in. And, I never said Roy ducked this fighters. I just pointed out this were the top fighters at the time that we didn't see a prime Roy fight.

And, again between 1992-1995. Hopkins was really green he was somewhat of a prospect. He hadn't even faced Glen Johnson at this time. And, I don't even think he even had won a title yet. After 1995 all this fighters moved up or just fell off.

[jrosales13]

Neither was Jones. He was as much a contender as Hopkins. I'm not sure if this, in some way, hurts Jones. He and Hopkins fought for Toney's title. Going forward, it was Hopkins who dominated the middleweight division - none of those guys you mentioned stuck around or were as relevant.

Every fighter had fights that didn't happen for one reason or another. It's how their resumes stack up at the end of the day that we measure them by. And Jones' resume is underrated on these boards.

Julian Jackson was not relevant at the time? Terry Norris was not relevant at the time? McCallum was not relevant at the time? the body snatcher was not relevant at the time? John David Jackson beating Reggie Johnson relevant at the time? But, Reggie was relevant years later at LHW? And, a very green Hopkins was relevant?

At SMW Benn, Collins, Liles, Eubanks, McClellan was not relevant? McCallum was not relevant at MW or SMW at the time? But, was relevant years later at LHW?

I don't know how you can say how these fighters were not relevant or that they didn't stick around when they were all the MW and/or SMW when Jones was there?

I know fights don't happen but all these fighters were top level fighters that didn't happen. There are way more better names of the fights that didn't happen then the names on his resume. That is all I am saying.

[IMDAZED]

The ring had Dariusz ranked #1 but Dariusz was the real lineal champion. The ring dropped the ball with that one. Virgil Hill beat Henry Maske for the lineal championship and then Dariusz beat Virgil. that is where he got the lineal claim.

For example The ring has the Flyweight title as vacant. But, Daisuke Naito is the the real lineal champion.

Hall and Harmon were not really good fighters. And, Dariusz was passed his prime when he lossed to Gonzalez. The same way Roy was passed his prime when he lossed to Calzaghe.

I am not attacking Roy. But, he never won a real lineal championship in none of the 4 weightclasses he fought in. And, I never said Roy ducked this fighters. I just pointed out this were the top fighters at the time that we didn't see a prime Roy fight.

And, again between 1992-1995. Hopkins was really green he was somewhat of a prospect. He hadn't even faced Glen Johnson at this time. And, I don't even think he even had won a title yet. After 1995 all this fighters moved up or just fell off.

Out of curiousity, how did Maske get the lineal title?