Real History: How Serious is Pacquiao’s Quest for Seven?

[Nota Loka PR]

Hatton is the Lineal / Ring champ coming off a dominating victory over Maliggnagi. Beating other fighters like Bradley or Urango would be the most dissapointing step for Pac's career

You need to fix you sig bro... its should say 145 not 147

[p4p-champ]

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look at the whole picture. No matter what you say, Pacquiao's win against Dela Hoya is an amazing feat. The fact that he jumped from 135 to 142 and fight a 147 fighter and actually beat him is pretty incredible. A win against Cotto will valide that his win against Dela Hoya is no fluke.

Why would it be a fluke? Nobody is claiming it was a fluke, but he was fighting the shell of a man. You going to sit there and tell me that Pacman would have put that type of beating on a *healthy* De La Hoya? getthefuckoutttahe.

[CrackYourJaw]

Yeah, the De la Hoya win was good, but Oscar was obviously not himself, it was a great win because nobody thought Pacquiao was gonna win, but it doesn't hold as much weight as people think.

Pacquiao beating Cotto is a much better win, regardless of the catchweight.

[jca]

Welterweight is from 141 - 147 lbs. For as long as both fighters agree on what weight they fight from that range, it is ligetimate. Just as we measure boxers today with the boxers of the yesteryears (as in the case of Manny and Armstrong), we must also measure the fighters of the past with the fighters of today. There are many more variables today in terms of fitness and nutritional science that makes today's fighters a whole lot stronger, quicker etc. I believe that the fighters today can stand toe to toe with the fighters of the past given their more scientific training. Where as before weight was not an issue of staggering importance, today it is most contested. Weight will benifit either boxers and so the leveling arguement will always be - that they agree and that they are (and will be) responsible with what they will do on training. We who watches the match should not be the sounding board either for or against these fighters when they win or loose. Rather we should give the winner and looser their respective dues. Case in point - Mayweather Marquez fight. Give Floyd his due because it was Marquez who called him. The only questionable issue is perhaps the weight which Floyd "legally" cheated (it should have been an air-tight agreement). Anyway, this goes the same way with the Pacquiao/Cotto fight - give them their dues after the fight without excuses!

[Blue Heffner]

My question is if Pac wins,,,what is he going to do.Will he defend the welter weight title at 147 or fight every fight at a catch weight???

If Pac wins, I don't see him defending the title at 147 against an top notch welter.

NO ONE IN THIS ERA IS A GOAT AND NEVER WILL BE!!!!

[Chups]

If Manny Steward says Cotto is going to win, and he did, then Cotto will win. Im not sure who will, but i can see that Cotto is alot bigger and a natural welterwieght. Cotto has fought there his whole career and Pac well he started as a flywieght. He really has no buisness fighting Cotto, he can't beat all the welters, i really can't see him beating Mosely, he sould be fighting at Junior welterwieght and no higher in my opinion, but if he beats Cotto then my opinion doesn't matter, but Pacquiao has been doing interviews,signing autographs, ect... and all that little extra stuff he's doing might not give him the best chance to win, he doesn't have his nose in the dirt like he should, he gets it powdered to be on TV.

When has that idiot ever rooted for Pacquiao?

[TOBYLEE1]

Welterweight is from 141 - 147 lbs. For as long as both fighters agree on what weight they fight from that range, it is ligetimate. Just as we measure boxers today with the boxers of the yesteryears (as in the case of Manny and Armstrong), we must also measure the fighters of the past with the fighters of today. There are many more variables today in terms of fitness and nutritional science that makes today's fighters a whole lot stronger, quicker etc. I believe that the fighters today can stand toe to toe with the fighters of the past given their more scientific training. Where as before weight was not an issue of staggering importance, today it is most contested. Weight will benifit either boxers and so the leveling arguement will always be - that they agree and that they are (and will be) responsible with what they will do on training. We who watches the match should not be the sounding board either for or against these fighters when they win or loose. Rather we should give the winner and looser their respective dues. Case in point - Mayweather Marquez fight. Give Floyd his due because it was Marquez who called him. The only questionable issue is perhaps the weight which Floyd "legally" cheated (it should have been an air-tight agreement). Anyway, this goes the same way with the Pacquiao/Cotto fight - give them their dues after the fight without excuses!

Back then there were less weight classes and fighters fought more frequent. Even though boxing was more popular fighters didn't make a lot of money and had to fight more ofter. Thats why the best fought the best. In the end these two fighters agreed on the conditions and the fight is on. Hopefully it will be a classic affair. You can never predict the outcome of a fight unless the fighters actully get in there and do it (refering to top level fighters)

[Dave Rado]

If but i can see that Cotto is alot bigger and a natural welterwieght. Cotto has fought there his whole career

Cotto started his professional career at Lightweight, and most of his fights were at Jnr Welterweight, not at Welterweight. Jnr Welterweight is now Pacquiao's natural weight, so there is no longer much difference between them in terms of weight. And they're the same height as each other, and have the same reach.

You're also failing to take into account the fact that Pac turned pro when he was just a boy of 15, and when Cotto was a boy of 15, he was also fighting at Light Flyweight. Cotto lost to Ivan Calderon at Light Flyweight in the amateurs. Both fighters have grown into men since then, and there is now only one weight division between them in terms of their natural weights.

[Dave Rado]

Welterweight is from 141 - 147 lbs.

No, there is no range, and no minimum weight. Henry Armstrong only weighed 133lb when he won the Welterweight title. There is no minimum weight.

Welterweight is defined as meaning that both fighters must agree to a maximum weight of 147. They can weigh in at whatever they like, even 106lb, provided they don't exceed 147lb. There is no lower limit.

By specifying a lower maximum weight than 147, it becomes a catchweight fight.

If you look at the WBO rules (or any rules), no minimum weight is specified, only that the maximum must be set at 147.

[Dave Rado]

I really wanted this fight to be at 147, I think even if Cotto weighed 147 at the day of weigh-in he would still fight Cotto.

He would, but Cotto would have to pay a huge penalty of $1 million for every pound over 145.

I got to admire Pacquiao's courage, he asked for this fight, catchweight or not he gets my respect

Absolutely, but it's a great shame he allowed Roach to persuade him to go for the catchweight. It would have been far better for his legacy to keep to the normal rules, and he'd have got a lot more admiration from neutral fans and from historians if he'd done so.

And I doubt that it would have affected the outcome. In fact, his legacy depends on that, because if there's any chance whatsoever that it would have affected the outcome, then that would automatically make it a bull**** title fight - which is the reason that it would have been far better for his legacy if he hadn't asked for the catchweight. But I blame Roach for it more than Manny, while still thinking that Manny could and should have over-ruled Roach.

That's what gets me about the catchweight thing. If Roach thought it wouldn't affect the outcome, there would be no reason whatsoever for him to ask for a catchweight, given that it's clearly in Manny's interests legacy-wise for the fight to be at the normal Welterweight limit. On the other hand, if Roach thought it would affect the outcome, then that fact automatically makes it a questionable title fight and damages his legacy. Either way, it was massively in Pac's long term interests to abide by the normal rules in terms of the maximum weight.

But I agree with you that Pac still deserves massive respect for taking the fight.