Roach: I don't think Cotto is that good!

[Alibata]

didnt roach say before that he thinks cotto was the best all around boxer? Around last year i think

That was last year. He is fighting Manny now.

[AntonTheMeh]

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[S A M U R A I]

Skill wise Cotto>>>Pac.

I don't agree, but I respect your opinion.

This fight is a very good matchup. That's why it's pretty tough for most of us to pick a winner. You think of one advantage held by Manny, then its counter-balanced by an advantage Miguel has.

Their skills are quite even, although I have Pacquiao ahead. What balances things up again is the fact that Cotto is an established Welterweight and he has very good power. That's the only thing we're wondering about. Can Manny deal with it?

If they were the same size, in my opinion, Manny wins without question. It's only because he still isn't proven at the weight that we're not 100% sure yet. For the simple reason that Manny is smaller yet so good, he's being matched up with bigger guys like Cotto, and people are hoping that he can actually pull off a win. Personally, I think he can.

Ray Robinson did similar things back in 1952. Being so good, his skills allowed him to take on Joey Maxim at light heavyweight, weighing in at a mere 157 pounds. In the fight, he was well ahead on all score cards, too, it's just unfortunate he collapsed due to heat exhaustion. If that hadn't happened, Ray would have been a champ at light heavy. From lightweight to light heavy = amazing. Maxim wasn't the same fighter after the Robinson battle, though. He ended up losing his title to Archie Moore shortly afterwards. Robinson gave him a real fight, despite weighing less.



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[madsweeney]

Well then you're ******. Cotto is better all around, but Manny has advantages over Cotto still. Handspeed, head movement, angles, agility. Heart and Chin I'd put them equal (thus far) they are both great offesively but because the styles are different its tough to call who is actually better. Countering, boxing ability, footwork and power I'd give to Cotto. Pretty damn even if you ask someone who uses their brain to analyze things.

Cotto is a decent counter puncher, however, I think Pac's countering is under rated. The guy was countering JMM for christ's sakes! Why wasn't DLH even trying to land his jab 1/2 way through the first round? Cuz it was being countered. And what punch KTFO Hatton? That's right a counter-left.

Cotto's footwork > Pac's?!? Pac's footwork is arguably the best at the moment in any class. The guy relys on his footwork for his out-in style. Cotto uses his footwork to cut off the ring well but other than that he stalks and plants.

[Bushbaby]

I think Cotto is technically more sound than Pacman!!I also think that Pacman is more athletic than Cotto,gifted with great speed & reflex's,that's what makes him such a dangerous man!!

[Beater_of_ass]

Cotto is a decent counter puncher, however, I think Pac's countering is under rated. The guy was countering JMM for christ's sakes! Why wasn't DLH even trying to land his jab 1/2 way through the first round? Cuz it was being countered. And what punch KTFO Hatton? That's right a counter-left.

Cotto's footwork > Pac's?!? Pac's footwork is arguably the best at the moment in any class. The guy relys on his footwork for his out-in style. Cotto uses his footwork to cut off the ring well but other than that he stalks and plants.

Manny can counterpunch, but I don't think he is better than Cotto. Manny cannot win a fight counterpunching, while Cotto is an offensive counterpuncher. He gets up close to his opponents inviting them to throw and that's where Cotto does a lot of his counter punching. Manny doesn't really have that great of footwork IMO. He does far too much bouncing leaving him off balance A LOT. He has great MOVEMENT and far better than Cotto but that doesn't mean footwork. Cotto is well balanced at all times, plants his feet and has great lateral movement as well, again all while staying balanced.

[D-Omonist]

I don't agree, but I respect your opinion.

This fight is a very good matchup. That's why it's pretty tough for most of us to pick a winner. You think of one advantage held by Manny, then its counter-balanced by an advantage Miguel has.

Their skills are quite even, although I have Pacquiao ahead. What balances things up again is the fact that Cotto is an established Welterweight and he has very good power. That's the only thing we're wondering about. Can Manny deal with it?

If they were the same size, in my opinion, Manny wins without question. It's only because he still isn't proven at the weight that we're not 100% sure yet. For the simple reason that Manny is smaller yet so good, he's being matched up with bigger guys like Cotto, and people are hoping that he can actually pull off a win. Personally, I think he can.

Ray Robinson did similar things back in 1952. Being so good, his skills allowed him to take on Joey Maxim at light heavyweight, weighing in at a mere 157 pounds. In the fight, he was well ahead on all score cards, too, it's just unfortunate he collapsed due to heat exhaustion. If that hadn't happened, Ray would have been a champ at light heavy. From lightweight to light heavy = amazing. Maxim wasn't the same fighter after the Robinson battle, though. He ended up losing his title to Archie Moore shortly afterwards. Robinson gave him a real fight, despite weighing less.

Sam, you really take everyone 100% seriously when they say Cotto is better than Pac! Both fighters have their unique skills & attributes. Let's see which of the two comes out victorious. I can't wait!!!

[UrGonnaLooos]

I don't agree, but I respect your opinion.

This fight is a very good matchup. That's why it's pretty tough for most of us to pick a winner. You think of one advantage held by Manny, then its counter-balanced by an advantage Miguel has.

Their skills are quite even, although I have Pacquiao ahead. What balances things up again is the fact that Cotto is an established Welterweight and he has very good power. That's the only thing we're wondering about. Can Manny deal with it?

If they were the same size, in my opinion, Manny wins without question. It's only because he still isn't proven at the weight that we're not 100% sure yet. For the simple reason that Manny is smaller yet so good, he's being matched up with bigger guys like Cotto, and people are hoping that he can actually pull off a win. Personally, I think he can.

Ray Robinson did similar things back in 1952. Being so good, his skills allowed him to take on Joey Maxim at light heavyweight, weighing in at a mere 157 pounds. In the fight, he was well ahead on all score cards, too, it's just unfortunate he collapsed due to heat exhaustion. If that hadn't happened, Ray would have been a champ at light heavy. From lightweight to light heavy = amazing. Maxim wasn't the same fighter after the Robinson battle, though. He ended up losing his title to Archie Moore shortly afterwards. Robinson gave him a real fight, despite weighing less.

Great post Sam.

But I still think Cotto to big to strong.
Cotto by KO within 6.

[S A M U R A I]

Sam, you really take everyone 100% seriously when they say Cotto is better than Pac! Both fighters have their unique skills & attributes. Let's see which of the two comes out victorious. I can't wait!!!

I don't take it seriously in the way that I'm offended by anyone suggesting Cotto is the more skilled fighter, it's just opinions at the end of the day, right? I respect the fact that someone feels Cotto is better, because it's entirely possible they are seeing something my own eyes have missed. I'm no expert, and never did I claim to be, but I take boxing talk seriously (in a good way!), period, because it's one of my interests, D. There is still so much I don't know about the sport and I'd be the first to admit that.

I love Cotto. Always have since the very first time I saw him in the ring. I was like "DAMN, who is this guy, he's gonna be a force to be reckoned with!", but to me, Manny is extraordinary. Never in my lifetime (which is not all that short, I'm one of the older guys around here!) have I seen a fighter like Manny.

As you said, and as I said myself, both have advantages, disadvantages and unique skills. I just happen to think Manny edges Miguel overall. Both are brilliant. One is slightly more brilliant. Feel free to disagree, my friend.



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[S A M U R A I]

Great post Sam.

But I still think Cotto to big to strong.
Cotto by KO within 6.

Thanks.

You may be right. I am prepared to be proved wrong. Neither fighter loses even 0.0000001% of my respect should they lose! I always said, if anyone is worthy of beating Manny, it's Cotto. For some reason, I don't mind the thought of him losing to such a great warrior. The real winners are the fans, as corny as it sounds.



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