Simple Question... Who hits harder? Manny or Miguel?

[PAKYO]

Put it this way, if opponents saw Pacquiao's shots coming, he'd be much less devastating. Opponents can see Cotto's shots coming and still get hurt. Cotto is the naturally harder puncher, Pacquiao relies more on speed, angles and explosiveness, not to say he isn't heavy handed, because he is but not as heavy handed as Cotto.

You still didn't get what Porter had said, they all can see Pac's punches from diffrerent angles but they never expected it would still be as hard as a normal angled punch thus the stunned look on his opponents eyes.

Most of Pac's punches that got pop is from those weird angles and it's only Pac who can do that even if they try and copy his moves, best they can manage is like patting a child in the head.

It's not about not seeing those punches as they can see it but avoiding and ducking away is the problem (in the case of Pac) and those punches that they think doesn't hurt and take for granted not to avoid is the one that definitely staggers them.

[-Boxzilla-]

i agree with silencer ... pac is the more dangerous puncher cotto is prob still more heavy handed ...

[Jose Rizal]

you're on crack. If Delahoya, a rehydrated one, punched Pacquiao and vice versa who do you think would get KO'd faster?

Pacquiao's has power obviously--but it was his angles and speed that cut up Cotto. That's what Cotto said afterwards---HE COULDN'T DEFEND properly the punches. That's what Shawn Porter said about Pacquiao. It's a combination of being out of position to properly to take the punches from different angles and the unexpected pop from Pacquiao's hands.

Shawn Porter:

But aren't a high majority of KD's and KO's like that? As they say "it's the punches that you don't see that hurt you." It's RARE that you get KO'ed by punches that you see coming at you even if you have a split second to brace for impact.

I don't think Cotto has that kind of power. He is more likely to pile on the damage and weakening his opponent before delivering the coup de grāce. That's why it's hard to conclude that he's the harder puncher of the 2.

[Puntoyhauf]

I have seen almost all of Manny's fight on a local tv channel here in the Philippines every Sunday at 12midnight. He's nothing special at that time. He actually is a very ****y fighter who took defense very lightly.

At his 12th pro fight if i remember correctly. He was winning rounds 1 and 2, but often drops his hands and mocks his opponent, by the opening of the 3rd round he was caught with a solid right in the face as he is about to punch..it was a lucky punch that ended the young Pacquiao's winning streak and undefeated record.

As I see him rise to fame, a lot has improved. he has a powerful left hand but now his right hand has that power too and his left is much too powerful now.

It is almost unbelievable (to the point that there's now a rumor of an illegal substance use)

[rao007]

Think of this analogy. Imagine a quarterback diving sidewards to throw a football and a receiver about ready to grab it. Instead of a ball with little heat behind it---you get a bullet coming at you. your'e shocked and less able to manage it. pacquiao punches are exatly the same thing. That's what Shawn Porter mentioned--he doesn't actually expect the punches to hurt when Pacquiao punches at a certain angle--he expects them to be just like a tap--so he's less able to defend against them with proper positioning therefore you get the full effect.

[Silencers]

You still didn't get what Porter had said, they all can see Pac's punches from diffrerent angles but they never expected it would still be as hard as a normal angled punch thus the stunned look on his opponents eyes.

Most of Pac's punches that got pop is from those weird angles and it's only Pac who can do that even if they try and copy his moves, best they can manage is like patting a child in the head.

It's not about not seeing those punches as they can see it but avoiding and ducking away is the problem (in the case of Pac) and those punches that they think doesn't hurt and take for granted not to avoid is the one that definitely staggers them.

Well he'd know better than I do.

[Jose Rizal]

Put it this way, if opponents saw Pacquiao's shots coming, he'd be much less devastating. Opponents can see Cotto's shots coming and still get hurt. Cotto is the naturally harder puncher, Pacquiao relies more on speed, angles and explosiveness, not to say he isn't heavy handed, because he is but not as heavy handed as Cotto.

I think Pac is able to pile the damage with punches his opponents can see as well. Not all his punches remain unchecked so I think you're kind of underrating those punches that they do see, IMO.

Cotto loads up and tries to get better leverage with his shots while Pac combines speed with power sacrificing a little leverage, but you can bet that if he loads up like Cotto does he can be as devastating when those land, but he just doesn't punch that way with his combinations.

[Silencers]

I think Pac is able to pile the damage with punches his opponents can see as well. Not all his punches remain unchecked so I think you're kind of underrating those punches that they do see, IMO.

Cotto loads up and tries to get better leverage with his shots while Pac combines speed with power sacrificing a little leverage, but you can bet that if he loads up like Cotto does he can be as devastating when those land, but he just doesn't punch that way with his combinations.

I really doubt it, he just doesn't strike me as being a bigger puncher than Cotto, even if he loaded up.

[rao007]

But aren't a high majority of KD's and KO's like that? As they say "it's the punches that you don't see that hurt you." It's RARE that you get KO'ed by punches that you see coming at you even if you have a split second to brace for impact.

I don't think Cotto has that kind of power. He is more likely to pile on the damage and weakening his opponent before delivering the coup de grāce. That's why it's hard to conclude that he's the harder puncher of the 2.

YOu just answered it for me in a way. The fact Pacquiao needs angles to hurt the guy as oppose to straight KOing the guy regardless tells me Cotto has more power than Pacquiao....

again here is my explanation:

Think of this analogy. Imagine a quarterback diving sidewards to throw a football and a receiver about ready to grab it. Instead of a ball with little heat behind it---you get a bullet coming at you. your'e shocked and less able to manage it. pacquiao punches are exatly the same thing. That's what Shawn Porter mentioned--he doesn't actually expect the punches to hurt when Pacquiao punches at a certain angle--he expects them to be just like a tap--so he's less able to defend against them with proper positioning therefore you get the full effect.

[Jose Rizal]

I really doubt it, he just doesn't strike me as being a bigger puncher than Cotto, even if he loaded up.

What I'm saying is that because of the way he flurries (speedy, multiple odd angled, less leveraged punches) he won't generate as much ooomph as Cotto does because he doesn't fight like Cotto so you'd seldom see him do a Cotto number (slightly slower, multiple, conventional and well leveraged bombs) on an opponent to really conclude that he is less of a puncher. I factor in the difference their boxing styles and the way they like to get their punches off.

I'll leave it at that...lol.