Simple Question... Who hits harder? Manny or Miguel?

[funks]

Pac's straight left is plenty powerful though and he tagged Cotto with it a few times (on the 9th, he should have gone down again but he bounced off the ropes and clinched). Do note, he's using both hands now compared to before (just used his straight left hand to bring down guys), because of this - I don't think he has as much leverage as in what we've seen in the past.

If you look at the replay, that straight left definitely looked like it hurt as Cotto was on ***** street again when it connected.

It's been noted that Pac's right hand was pretty swollen after the fight (his left hand looks fine from the interview vids). Must have connected with a lot of right hooks, just imagine if he didn't show mercy and used his left bombs more.

[rao007]

What I'm saying is that because of the way he flurries (speedy, multiple odd angled, less leveraged punches) he won't generate as much ooomph as Cotto does because he doesn't fight like Cotto so you'd seldom see him do a Cotto number (slightly slower, multiple, conventional and well leveraged bombs) on an opponent to really conclude that he is less of a puncher. I factor in the difference their boxing styles and the way they like to get their punches off.

I'll leave it at that...lol.

Even factoring styles--Cotto is the heavier puncher. That' plan to see. Again, If I asked both these figher to punch each other in the face as hard as they could--who do you think would get KO'd faster?

However it the styles that determine whether which one is more effective.

Cotto is more conventional and less effective with his power on the other hand Pacquiao is more effective with his power because his opponents think that his off balance shots have no power which they find out is wrong.

[Jose Rizal]

YOu just answered it for me in a way. The fact Pacquiao needs angles to hurt the guy as oppose to straight KOing the guy regardless tells me Cotto has more power than Pacquiao....

again here is my explanation:

Nah... I didn't say he NEEDS angles to hurt an opponent, I'm saying that's just his style and the way he fights and hurts his opponents, which is different from the way Miguel does it, because Miguel really loads up his shots.

When throwing those blindingly fast combos at odd angles, he sacrifices some leverage for speed. Less leverage = less power. If he had a slightly slower rate of fire, then he can leverage his punches properly to generate more power. The odd angles also eat at the power somewhat.

[rao007]

Nah... I didn't say he NEEDS angles to hurt an opponent, I'm saying that's just his style and the way he fights and hurts his opponents, which is different from the way Miguel does it, because Miguel really loads up his shots.

When throwing those blindingly fast combos at odd angles, he sacrifices some leverage for speed. Less leverage = less power. If he had a slightly slower rate of fire, then he can leverage his punches properly to generate more power. The odd angles also eat at the power somewhat.

That's what I'm saying, too . Pacquiao's style makes use of his power effectively because his opponents thinks his angle shots have no power in them as Shawn Porter suggested which they obviously do therefore not in the position to defend--so they get the full effect of Manny's punches. Cotto is more conventional and you're able to withstand his power because you can anticipate them...but in the end RAW power--Cotto is the harder puncher.

[Jose Rizal]

Even factoring styles--Cotto is the heavier puncher. That' plan to see. Again, If I asked both these figher to punch each other in the face as hard as they could--who do you think would get KO'd faster?

However it the styles that determine whether which one is more effective.

Cotto is more conventional and less effective with his power on the other hand Pacquiao is more effective with his power because his opponents think that his off balance shots have no power which they find out is wrong.

There's no doubt that Pac is more effective, but he doesn't load up like Miguel does. So I think you assume too much saying he's a lesser puncher when we seldom see him throw the way Miguel does... lol. I'm sure both can KTFO each other if allowed a single unopposed punch...hahaha! Come on... but CHIN would also have to be factored in.

[funks]

I think they need to do the "Rocky 4" thing - lol.

When Drago was punching that machine which registered how hard he hits..

[rao007]

There's no doubt that Pac is more effective, but he doesn't load up like Miguel does. So I think you assume too much saying he's a lesser puncher when we seldom see him throw the way Miguel does... lol. I'm sure both can KTFO each other if allowed a single unopposed punch...hahaha! Come on... but CHIN would also have to be factored in.

I mean, p4p, Cotto is the heavier puncher. Pacquiao might be more effective but Cotto is the heavier puncher...you don't need to factor in the chin. There is punching machines you can use to measure power.

Edit: I'm just saying, there is a reason why Pacquiao for the first round was so cautious with Oscar delahoya.

[Jose Rizal]

I think they need to do the "Rocky 4" thing - lol.

When Drago was punching that machine which registered how hard he hits..

Funny but that's a good point. If they can get some eggheads to measure their FULLY LEVERAGED AND LOADED POWER SHOTS on a target, that would be more conclusive than watching a video.

[Jose Rizal]

I mean, p4p, Cotto is the heavier puncher. Pacquiao might be more effective but Cotto is the heavier puncher...you don't need to factor in the chin. There is punching machines you can use to measure power.

Edit: I'm just saying, there is a reason why Pacquiao for the first round was so cautious with Oscar delahoya.

LOL! You asked if they were to hit each other, so you have to factor their chins as well... hehe. If the other has an eggshell beard, than a lesser punch could drop him, right?

[rao007]

Funny but that's a good point. If they can get some eggheads to measure their FULLY LEVERAGED AND LOADED POWER SHOTS on a target, that would be more conclusive than watching a video.

So, you mean to tell me Cotto's fully leveraged shots are less powerful than Manny's leveraged shots? ARe you serious?