toney doing what roy jones did

[Run]

I count one who they left off for whatever reason, Magee? Who else are you talking about..

In terms of assesing their "potential" in the division: Sheika and Green should be legitimate top 15 fighters. But for "Title contention status" that is a different story. I suppose that is what the list is based on. Who is more "Qualified on Paper"...etc. You know what I mean?

Kessler is underrated, and is one of the few fighters who I would not limit to being a "Paper Champ". Green and Beyer are "Paper Material" IMO. And lets not get started on Calzaghe. He would lose to a decent fighter if he faced one.

Oh. And Kessler would eat Beyer's lunch money. That is right. Eat the lunch money.



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[Super_Lightweight]

lol

The only reason Joppy won that fight against Eastman was because of a "home town" decsion. And Eastman fought Joppy about 3 or 4yrs before Hopkins fought him? Joppy was well shot by the time Hopkins stepped up, and he'd only fought once since again since that Eastman beating.

A beating? LOL...Eastman did not give Joppy a beating. It was a close fight and if Eastman was a better and more confident/aggressive fighter he might havewon it, but he isn't.

Richie Woodhall had won and defended the WBC Super-middleweight title 4 times before losing it a year before facing Calzaghe.

Woodhall? Who? Huh? What? Tell me what he has done besides hold a belt? What fighters did he trash that were recognizeable?

I agree that the Germans are corrupt in too many cases, but if Calzaghe was that great he would have beaten Reid more decisvely.

Incedentally Calzaghe has been calling out Hopkins for years!

Good for him. If he wants to fight a fighter who is more well-known and respected than himself, he needs to take action. What has he done to show that he will fight Bernard in the U.S.? Pulling out of fights days before they are supposed to happen?

It's all academic because Hopkins won't fight people in higher weight catagories... He said that he's interested in fighting Glen Johnson at light-heavyweight, but I'd bet my right testicle that fight will never happen! (He'll blame it on money).

Bernard already stopped Glen Johnson, so why would he be afraid to fight him again? Especially now that Glen is older...

Hopkins next defense will be against the winner of Wright vs Tito... And "AGAIN" Hopkins fights guy's coming up in weight... Uuurrrrggghhh!!!! - It's so predictable.

Come again? Tito IS a LEGIT MIDDLEWEIGHT. He has been at middleweight for a while now and is PROVEN in this weight class. By they way, Hopkins' next fight's vs Jermain Taylor, who is significantly bigger than Hopkins. So much for that "only fights smaller guys" theory. Hopkins probably will fight the winner of Tito-Wright, and since you say that means Hopkins will be fighting another guy coming up in weight, you must think Wright will win because Tito is and has been a legit middleweight.

SO THEN THE PREDICTION!!!.... Calzaghe would steam role through Hopkins in the 1st half of the fight.

This is a joke, right? The only way that will happen is if Hopkins gets old and quick. Calzaghe has not shown anything that would lead anyone to believe he can beat Hops at his best. You must realize how foolish you are looking by saying Joe would stop Bernard in the 1st half of the fight. Guys that hit as hard and harder than Joe were not able to stop Hops, so why will Joe be able to do it?

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

This is a joke, right? The only way that will happen is if Hopkins gets old and quick. Calzaghe has not shown anything that would lead anyone to believe he can beat Hops at his best. You must realize how foolish you are looking by saying Joe would stop Bernard in the 1st half of the fight. Guys that hit as hard and harder than Joe were not able to stop Hops, so why will Joe be able to do it?

Come on now... There's no need for that.

That's just the arrogance of the American fight scene... "Fighters from anywhere else in the World must prove themselves by going to America" ???... The reason that fighters from the rest of the World go to America is because there's more money in the TV networks there.

Calzaghe WOULD steam role through Hopkins... That's my opinion. Fighting a guy that started his career at super-featherweight is not even close to preperation for a solid super-middleweight in Calzaghe.

If you take away all the American P4P marketing hype bull**** from Hopkins, He ain't that good a fighter. He's not a concussive puncher, He's made his career feasting on small guy's... And IF he was to fight Calzaghe, it would be a serious step up in class.

I don't think it's that hard to see... I look at fighters from a completely neutral perspective. I don't pay attention to any of the P4P American hype crap (That's only invented to sell more seats). I look at who they've fought, how they won... How they fight, what their weight is, how easily they make the weight, When they fought certain "names" etc etc.

If I add all that up, Bernard Hopkins is definatly NOT the P4P best fighter in the World... If you compare the fighter's he's been in the ring with over the last 7yrs to that of say Erik Morales... It's just a different level of competion they've been mixing in.

Calzaghe would never get any respect for flattening Bernard, Everyone would just say, "Ohh Bernard got old over night". If it wasn't such a flat division he was in, then he'd of been beaten convincingly a long time ago.

[Tha Greatest]

hopkins would give calzaghe such a tactical beating that joe will retire !

hopkins called out jones tarver johnson

why would he duck calzaghe

[oldgringo]

Come on now... There's no need for that.

That's just the arrogance of the American fight scene... "Fighters from anywhere else in the World must prove themselves by going to America" ???... The reason that fighters from the rest of the World go to America is because there's more money in the TV networks there.

Calzaghe WOULD steam role through Hopkins... That's my opinion. Fighting a guy that started his career at super-featherweight is not even close to preperation for a solid super-middleweight in Calzaghe.

If you take away all the American P4P marketing hype bull**** from Hopkins, He ain't that good a fighter. He's not a concussive puncher, He's made his career feasting on small guy's... And IF he was to fight Calzaghe, it would be a serious step up in class.

I don't think it's that hard to see... I look at fighters from a completely neutral perspective. I don't pay attention to any of the P4P American hype crap (That's only invented to sell more seats). I look at who they've fought, how they won... How they fight, what their weight is, how easily they make the weight, When they fought certain "names" etc etc.

If I add all that up, Bernard Hopkins is definatly NOT the P4P best fighter in the World... If you compare the fighter's he's been in the ring with over the last 7yrs to that of say Erik Morales... It's just a different level of competion they've been mixing in.

Calzaghe would never get any respect for flattening Bernard, Everyone would just say, "Ohh Bernard got old over night". If it wasn't such a flat division he was in, then he'd of been beaten convincingly a long time ago.

You have just devalued EVERY post that you have ever posted on here. "He ain't that good a fighter"...I understand that you like Joey Calzone and are defending him...but don't be an idiot.

[Neuraxis]

In terms of assesing their "potential" in the division: Sheika and Green should be legitimate top 15 fighters. But for "Title contention status" that is a different story. I suppose that is what the list is based on. Who is more "Qualified on Paper"...etc. You know what I mean?

Kessler is underrated, and is one of the few fighters who I would not limit to being a "Paper Champ". Green and Beyer are "Paper Material" IMO. And lets not get started on Calzaghe. He would lose to a decent fighter if he faced one.

Oh. And Kessler would eat Beyer's lunch money. That is right. Eat the lunch money.

Green doesn't have a belt, though he is all hype. People whined that he was screwed in his first fight with Beyer when he was the one who screwed himself, and then Beyer owns him in the rematch. Kessler also seems to breaking step with Beyer and Calzaghe as he is going to Australia for his title defense to fight Mundine.

[Neuraxis]

hopkins would give calzaghe such a tactical beating that joe will retire !

hopkins called out jones tarver johnson

why would he duck calzaghe

Considering that he already beat up on Johnson and that Tarver is overrated, I don't see why calling those two out is that big of a deal.

[Run]

Kessler also seems to breaking step with Beyer and Calzaghe as he is going to Australia for his title defense to fight Mundine.

He and Lacy are the two best super-middleweights in the world IMO. Kessler has beat quality opposition in comparison to Calzaghe, and for the most part has been unrecognized by most boxing fans. Lacy should be ranked extremely high, because of his stopping Vanderpool, and his last outing against Williams.

The two of them should end up fighting one another, for what I would deem as the "Super-Middleweight" title. I just dont buy into the Calzaghe hype. I dont get it. I am only looking at who I aesthetically think is a better fighter. Those two are the most impressive and bring heavy weapons in the ring.

Mundine is a decent opponent, but I think Kessler is going to steam roll over him. Simply exert his will. Interesting fight nonetheless. Both can crack, and you could make the case that Mundine is the most stern test Kessler has faced yet. Not sure though, he made JC-Green look pathetic, and that says alot.

Calzaghe never knocked a guy that caliber out, in the 1st round. He would also do the same to Veit, who Calzaghe stopped. That was nothing special IMO. And is the only weapon Calzaghe fans point to.



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[Tha Greatest]

Considering that he already beat up on Johnson and that Tarver is overrated, I don't see why calling those two out is that big of a deal.

He called out the Tarver that had just knocked out Jones before Johnson did, this was when he was hot.

Why would he duck some bum like Calzaghe who has been fighting bums his whole life...

[Martin (Top Knowledge)]

You have just devalued EVERY post that you have ever posted on here. "He ain't that good a fighter"...I understand that you like Joey Calzone and are defending him...but don't be an idiot.

You're at it again.... ... LOL!...

You have to admit that America is an insuler Country right?

All I'm saying is that Hopkins is not regarded as this "Amazing fighter" outside the U.S. as he is inside the U.S. - He's seen as more of a bully, Coz' he fights and calls out little guy's.

There's a big difference between who he "say's" he'll fight, and who he "actually" fights. - A thing that made me laugh was that he was awarded "manager of 2004" ??? I give up... LOL!... Because he arranged a 3rd fight with Robert Allen and a complete miss-match in De La Hoya???... LOL!...

The rest of the World don't share the same enthusiasm for Bernards so called "greatness" as the U.S. do.

And his last fight against Howard Eastman (the 1st time in a while he fought a proper middleweight), he didn't come to fight. He came to run... Compare the likes of Pacquiao, Morales, Barerra, Tszyu, Hatton, Cotto, Judah, Calzaghe etc etc etc... These guy's COME TO FIGHT!... And fight they do!