Mexico Notebook: Antonio Margarito; Saul Alvarez; Edgar Sosa

[Beater_of_ass]

That could be blood, or that could be a stain. How would the Cotto’s blood, penetrate Margs boxing glove? Anyhow I can understand, the accusations of loading his gloves. But I don’t think Marg and Team are gross or poor enough, to use the same hand wraps from a previous fight.

Even if its a stain its still proof he used the same thing in the Cotto fight. There is no defense for having that as no one uses the same tape in each fight, or gauze. I doubt its a stain as you can see in the pic that there is a lot of blood running down Marg's forearm, it just stopped in that area of the blood. I'm sure its a mix of blood and sweat, but with the amount Cotto was bleeding it could have been from punches or when Cotto was getting all of it flying everywhere. There really is no answer for having a blood or a stain on the same hand with potentially the same wrap.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Why the hell do some of you people act like its fact that Rito used the plaster against Cotto. It's 50/50 at best.

[Gonzalez_Boxing]

When is HBO going to show some love for Saul Alvarez?

[aztecadq]

Actually, there is a lot of evidence that he used in that fight. However, if you like at it from a legal perspective its all circumstantial. O.J. is the perfect example, all the evidence was there but they didn't have prints on the murder weapon or his DNA anywhere to confirm. But, the glove fit his shoe print was at the crime scene, he had motive. With the Marg fight he certainly had the motive, had he lost that fight he would probably never get a 7 figure payday again. Winning set up shots and DLH and Mayweather, Cotto was bleeding from the eyes and ears (When is the last time that happened with gloves on?) And most importantly, this:





Is it enough to say that HE WAS in fact using, its opinion. But there is certainly more than enough to question it. As you can see, the blood is on the same wrap from his blood in the Cotto fight. The Mosley fight was Marg's only fight after Cotto. You can also see that the blood in the wraps had a smaller circumference on the inside compared to the outside which means the blood didn't go from in to outside, it came from the outside and soaked into the rest of the wrap. And, as we all know the only guy bleeding in that fight was Cotto, not Marg. Personally, they should test the blood on the wrap and if it matches Cotto's DNA we know for sure he used because to my knowledge they only fought once. Personally, I'm not sure why they do that, the technology is there to confirm or deny Marg's story.

Anyway... you are right that there might not be definitive proof that Marg used. However, there is more than enough to at the very least question his use of illegal wraps, and also enough for people to make an opinion about it. As I stated IF they were to test the blood stain we'd know for sure, I just wish they would.

Of Course there's many logics to raise su****ion that Margarito used illegal wraps against Cotto. I never said that there wasn't any su****ion or doubt that Margarito MIGHT have used. However, nothing has been done. If Margarito was guilty of using illegal wraps against Cotto and if the Boxing Comission did have evidence to prove this. Then where is the coming out of all this evidence???? Why isn't Margarito being prosecuted or more action being done against Margarito???? Like I said all SU****ION, DOUBT- HOWEVER NOT 100%

[pinkivory]

Like I said Margarito is an exciting fighter - Just watch him against Cintron, Golden Johnson, Cotto, Lujan, Santos, Clottey etc.,,,- All fights where Margarito fought with will and a drive to win. Every athlete has bad days ( like Cotto against Clottey- Yeah Cotto wasn't that exciting that night )

As for guilt and innocence. Like I said before. Margarito is guilty of attempting to use plaster against Mosley. THEY HAVE EVIDENCE. For Cotto, Cintron, Williams, Clottey, Lujan and the rest there is NOTHING NADA ZIP ZERO - STINGY LIKE DENIRO. You can talk out of your arce all you want. But that's the truth. All Cotto fans and boxing fans ( who dislike Margarito ) know this. You may think Margarito did something. Buttttttt you'll always have that uncertainty.

I really do not know how to do that, but maybe someday you might be able to teach me how to do it. Take this , I know truth hurts.

[Beater_of_ass]

Of Course there's many logics to raise su****ion that Margarito used illegal wraps against Cotto. I never said that there wasn't any su****ion or doubt that Margarito MIGHT have used. However, nothing has been done. If Margarito was guilty of using illegal wraps against Cotto and if the Boxing Comission did have evidence to prove this. Then where is the coming out of all this evidence???? Why isn't Margarito being prosecuted or more action being done against Margarito???? Like I said all SU****ION, DOUBT- HOWEVER NOT 100%

The reason nothing came of it is because there wasn't any questions till Margarito's next fight. Its impossible to go back and check his wraps 6 months after the fight happened, add to the fact that Bob Arum doesn't want to admit that Marg cheated as he'd be out a ton of money if Marg comes back as good as he does. As I stated all they need to do is check the blood on the wraps, and I'm not sure why they won't, maybe because Cotto doesn't really care about the fight anymore as he's stated multiple times. But, you can't ***** at people for constantly bringing it up because you just admitted there is su****ion and everyone who isn't a mexican thinks he did. Does it make them right, no, but it doesn't make them wrong either.

[aztecadq]

The reason nothing came of it is because there wasn't any questions till Margarito's next fight. Its impossible to go back and check his wraps 6 months after the fight happened, add to the fact that Bob Arum doesn't want to admit that Marg cheated as he'd be out a ton of money if Marg comes back as good as he does. As I stated all they need to do is check the blood on the wraps, and I'm not sure why they won't, maybe because Cotto doesn't really care about the fight anymore as he's stated multiple times. But, you can't ***** at people for constantly bringing it up because you just admitted there is su****ion and everyone who isn't a mexican thinks he did. Does it make them right, no, but it doesn't make them wrong either.

EXACTLY, like you said ALL THEY NEED TO DO IS CHECK THE BLOOD ON THE WRAPS. But all I keep hearing from fans ( especially Cotto fans ) is excuses. Listen if they suspended him and found actual evidence to link him to something else they would have analyzed that already and tried to move forward with it. BUT THEY HAVEN'T ........Now I can see how Cotto fans or even boxing fans can still be upset at this controversary. However, Cotto has put it behind him- Now how come his fans can't do the same as Cotto is leading by example. I think it's ironic how Cintron, Lujan, Clottey and Williams are all left out of the equation. What about them????? Nobody wants to look at the whole picture, just what they are interested in. Finally, like I said before yes this whole situation is a controversary and yes I AGREE THAT THERE IS A POSSIBLITY THAT AM USED ILLEGAL WRAPS AGAINST MC. However, nobody can be certain. Just like we're not certain if Trinidad used excessive wrapping against Vargas, Reid, Joppy etc.,,, Point is people want to BELIEVE WITH THEIR EMOTIONS AND NOT WITH CONCRETE SUBSTANCE.

[aztecadq]

I really do not know how to do that, but maybe someday you might be able to teach me how to do it. Take this , I know truth hurts.

Come back to me when you can formulate a decent argument instead of wasting forum space.

[pinkivory]

Come back to me when you can formulate a decent argument instead of wasting forum space.

I formulated a decent argument, but you came up with " You can talk out of your arce all you want. If you want to have a decent argument, then maybe you should behave like an adult and not a child throwing a tantrum. In the meantime, you get

[Beater_of_ass]

EXACTLY, like you said ALL THEY NEED TO DO IS CHECK THE BLOOD ON THE WRAPS. But all I keep hearing from fans ( especially Cotto fans ) is excuses. Listen if they suspended him and found actual evidence to link him to something else they would have analyzed that already and tried to move forward with it. BUT THEY HAVEN'T ........Now I can see how Cotto fans or even boxing fans can still be upset at this controversary. However, Cotto has put it behind him- Now how come his fans can't do the same as Cotto is leading by example. I think it's ironic how Cintron, Lujan, Clottey and Williams are all left out of the equation. What about them????? Nobody wants to look at the whole picture, just what they are interested in. Finally, like I said before yes this whole situation is a controversary and yes I AGREE THAT THERE IS A POSSIBLITY THAT AM USED ILLEGAL WRAPS AGAINST MC. However, nobody can be certain. Just like we're not certain if Trinidad used excessive wrapping against Vargas, Reid, Joppy etc.,,, Point is people want to BELIEVE WITH THEIR EMOTIONS AND NOT WITH CONCRETE SUBSTANCE.

Margarito was suspended for an illegal substance in his wraps, not illegal wrapping. There WAS an illegal substance otherwise there wouldn't have been a suspension, just him being re-wrapped. Secondly, I'm not sure why they don't test the wraps no one has an answer but Top Rank and the Nevada Athletic Commission, but that doesn't mean it did not happen. As for other guys, no one really knows when Marg started, however, its safe to assume that he more than likely did it in the Cotto fight for the first time. Mosley never got busted for steroids until the DLH fight, people do start cheating "all of sudden" when they feel they need to. And given the circumstances of the Cotto/Marg fight and what it meant for both fighters, either with Marg's knowledge or not, its safe to assume he used in that fight and possibly for the first time. Again, given the circumstances and options that fight could have brought to the table.

As far as Trinidad using excessive wrapping, come on man. Excessive wrapping is one thing, but an item is NEVER supposed to fall out of your wraps, ever. I can't really put it into words other than the word itself, "wrap." For example, when you wrap a present nothing falls out of the paper except maybe the gift. The gift in this situation would be your hand, if you start undoing the tape and something falls out, its a foreign object, period. Also over wrapping is a totally different case than putting a cast material over your knuckles. If you don't want to believe Marg used in the Cotto fight is fine, but you cannot possible compare plaster of paris to an over taped hand.