Who is the best Light Heavyweight in the world?

[SplitSecond]

I don't think it's un reasonable to draw comparisons about any past fights if the point is valid, though I accept it can easily go out of context and be misleading. I don't think that's the case here.

It was said Dawson would beat Hopkins on work rate. My answer to that is simply, Dawson has a lower work rate than Calzaghe whom only just got a decision.

It's also, that Hopkins lowers everyones work rate and he would do Dawson as much. I don't think Chad would respond well to being made to often miss by an illusive Bernard. He does get a little frustrated/disheartened at times I think if he's not having his own way. Against Johnson 1, he was drawn into a fight that didn't suite him so much, and as much as it's easy for him to realise that AFTER the fight, a great fighter realises during and changes QUICKLY. When I say great I just kind mean that, as in not just a top elite, but something a little extra. I don't mean any more by that.

Calzaghe was patient, experienced, throwing enough still, savvy enough to land on Hops as much as he could to get a close decision.

I simply don't accept Dawson would be quite on the same level there to thrash out a decision. He may be a little more accurate perhaps, and move better at times. But those things aren't winning the fight alone.

Quite simply, he doesn't land on Hopkins enough to win a decision IMO.

He's not there to be hit like Johnson and Tarver was. Put him in with a verteran like Hopkins, he's missing, being out smarted, and out hustled.

yea, but calzaghe throws like an idiot, atleast he has a jab, which was his best weapon that night, dawson punches harder and more straight foward(not in a slapping downward motion as joe)

no disrespect to joe, and dont go hating on me for sayin that, but i think the way he threw his punches that night had alot to do with his inablity to actually hit hopkins cleanly

and calzaghe was'nt patient, infact he only started winning when he said ''**** this ****'' and started pushing hopkins which hop paid for in the later rounds with a lack of oxygen

personally tho i think footwork is the key to beating bernard hopkins, he's got that annoying ass right hand followed by his head and then he clinches
if you move back you can crack him(which if i remember correct calzaghe had figured out midway in their bout)

[dans]

The inverse of what you just said could easily be as true. Again, Dawson having a lower workrate than Calzaghe doesn't mean anything. Most fighters have a lower workrate than Calzaghe. I don't think Dawson's workrate will be the issue here. If anything, it'll be Hopkins'. He's the guy who throws very little and capitalizes on impatient opponents. Couple his low workrate with Dawson's defense and you have a guy who won't be landed much at all.
Which begs the question: If Hopkins is throwing 15 punches around and landing 3, do you see him winning a decision? I think not.

But the hypothetical is hypothetical. The fact remains that Dawson is much more accomplished at 175 then Bernard Hopkins and thus, should be ranked the division's best fighter today--the question the TS asked.

Only industrial fans have a higher workrate then Calzaghe, there's more than 1 way to win a fight.

[SplitSecond]

Oh...I was talking about Calzaghe



"Immediately following the loss to Dawson, Adamek decided to move up and test his luck in the cruiserweight division. It was apparent at that time, that he was too weight drained to continue campaigning as a light heavyweight, but making the jump from 175 to 200 pounds is no easy task. "

http://www.********boxing.com/news.php?p=18169&more=1

"Weight-drained and weary, he moved up to cruiserweight (200 pounds) afterward. That's when New Jersey comes in."

http://www.nj.com/sports/index.ssf/2..._is_makin.html

"In his only defeat, Adamek was well beaten by Chad Dawson, but he was struggling to make the light-heavy limit at this time and moved up to 200 pounds immediately after the fight. Even though he was probably at least a little bit weight-drained, Adamek managed to knock Dawson down in that fight"

http://www.fightwriter.com/?q=node/2094

yea,....i dont believe that

[IMDAZED]

yea, but calzaghe throws like an idiot, atleast he has a jab, which was his best weapon that night, dawson punches harder and more straight foward(not in a slapping downward motion as joe)

no disrespect to joe, and dont go hating on me for sayin that, but i think the way he threw his punches that night had alot to do with his inablity to actually hit hopkins cleanly

and calzaghe was'nt patient, infact he only started winning when he said ''**** this ****'' and started pushing hopkins which hop paid for in the later rounds with a lack of oxygen

personally tho i think footwork is the key to beating bernard hopkins, he's got that annoying ass right hand followed by his head and then he clinches
if you move back you can crack him(which if i remember correct calzaghe had figured out midway in their bout)

The penitentiary right. Hopkins throws it, bulls in and starts grappling. And Calzaghe's over-aggressiveness is what got him in trouble against Bernard. And it made him a tad tentative than usual. So what did he do? He started throwing more. And won by doing that. Far different scenario from what either two would have faced in Dawson.

[Vivid Intent]

no disrespect to joe, and dont go hating on me for sayin that, but i think the way he threw his punches that night had alot to do with his inablity to actually hit hopkins cleanly

It's a myth that Calzaghe wasn't landing cleanly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9SfWjk00cs

[SplitSecond]

The penitentiary right. Hopkins throws it, bulls in and starts grappling. And Calzaghe's over-aggressiveness is what got him in trouble against Bernard. And it made him a tad tentative than usual. So what did he do? He started throwing more. And won by doing that. Far different scenario from what either two would have faced in Dawson.

yep, hopkins gassed

[SplitSecond]

It's a myth that Calzaghe wasn't landing cleanly

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9SfWjk00cs

yea man, i thought calz won too, first couple was close, but he pretty much won all the later round

[Vivid Intent]

yea,....i dont believe that

I didn't expect you to....which was why I couldn't have been arsed doing your google searches for you at first

[IMDAZED]

yep, hopkins gassed

He certainly did. And looked his age in those final three rounds. Kinda like how he looked against Wright. Hopkins was outmanned in that fight. He may have won on some cards but he certainly didn't look like the winner to me.

[THE REED]

Roy is going to beat Bernard, and it has absolutely nothing to do with their recent opponents.