Erik Morales the best mexican fighter of this generation

[The Troll]

IF he continues to fight I expect he will continue to lose.

[.::|ULTIMATE|::.]

Morales is certainly the best Mexican fighter of this generation. Morales has only lost to mab (once imo)you could argue simply styles, anyway he has gone through tougher more skilled opponents one after another and pulled out the W. MAB is certainly on his heels but so far but he has 2 TKO looses against two different opponents that had him on the canvas.

[m00ks]

IF he continues to fight I expect he will continue to lose.

But watch him cash in anyway.

[amaru]

Morales is certainly the best Mexican fighter of this generation. Morales has only lost to mab (once imo)you could argue simply styles, anyway he has gone through tougher more skilled opponents one after another and pulled out the W. MAB is certainly on his heels but so far but he has 2 TKO looses against two different opponents that had him on the canvas.

no one can ever doubt erik morales as a fighter and a boxer. i just feel that barrera has done more or less the same what erik morales has doen, but more importantly beat him twice and that to me is the crucial deciding factor. barrera has faced tough opposition too in his career, just like erik morales. barrera has victories over tough fighters like kennedy mckinney, enrique sanchez, jesus salud and prince naseem hamed. also if morales has only lost once to barrera in your opinion it can also be disputed that morales lost to guty espades (i thinks it him, i could be wrong tho) too. barrera's record can be very decieving too, many people thought he did not lose the first fight with morales and it was also a very close second fight with junior jones that he lost, he easily could of got that decison. that then puts barreras losses to only 2 defeats. there is no shame in being KO'd either against top opposition. junior jones KO'd him, he was a world champion, manny pacquaio KO'd him and he was a world champion. if barrera got KO'd by journeymen or crap fighters then that could tarnish his record. barrera isnt even a 130lb fighter yet he went up to morales' weight class and beat him. that to me says a lot of barrera character. he fought morales on his terms and still won the fight.

i respect your post tho, it has valid points.

[mauricio95]

no one can ever doubt erik morales as a fighter and a boxer. i just feel that barrera has done more or less the same what erik morales has doen, but more importantly beat him twice and that to me is the crucial deciding factor. barrera has faced tough opposition too in his career, just like erik morales. barrera has victories over tough fighters like kennedy mckinney, enrique sanchez, jesus salud and prince naseem hamed. also if morales has only lost once to barrera in your opinion it can also be disputed that morales lost to guty espades (i thinks it him, i could be wrong tho) too. barrera's record can be very decieving too, many people thought he did not lose the first fight with morales and it was also a very close second fight with junior jones that he lost, he easily could of got that decison. that then puts barreras losses to only 2 defeats. there is no shame in being KO'd either against top opposition. junior jones KO'd him, he was a world champion, manny pacquaio KO'd him and he was a world champion. if barrera got KO'd by journeymen or crap fighters then that could tarnish his record. barrera isnt even a 130lb fighter yet he went up to morales' weight class and beat him. that to me says a lot of barrera character. he fought morales on his terms and still won the fight.

i respect your post tho, it has valid points.

even so barrera don't have the cojones to face pacman in a rematch
erik face anyone anytime
that's the diference that's the huge diference

[.::|ULTIMATE|::.]

no one can ever doubt erik morales as a fighter and a boxer. i just feel that barrera has done more or less the same what erik morales has doen, but more importantly beat him twice and that to me is the crucial deciding factor. barrera has faced tough opposition too in his career, just like erik morales. barrera has victories over tough fighters like kennedy mckinney, enrique sanchez, jesus salud and prince naseem hamed. also if morales has only lost once to barrera in your opinion it can also be disputed that morales lost to guty espades (i thinks it him, i could be wrong tho) too. barrera's record can be very decieving too, many people thought he did not lose the first fight with morales and it was also a very close second fight with junior jones that he lost, he easily could of got that decison. that then puts barreras losses to only 2 defeats. there is no shame in being KO'd either against top opposition. junior jones KO'd him, he was a world champion, manny pacquaio KO'd him and he was a world champion. if barrera got KO'd by journeymen or crap fighters then that could tarnish his record. barrera isnt even a 130lb fighter yet he went up to morales' weight class and beat him. that to me says a lot of barrera character. he fought morales on his terms and still won the fight.

i respect your post tho, it has valid points.

Thanks man, sure u could argue Espadas beat Morales in their first encounter or said he would have won had he been more aggressive, however, and this is what helps puts Morales over Barrera ...
Morales silenced the argument when he gave him a rematch where he stopped him.

Barrera tried to avenge his loss against Jones and was unable to. He was met with another loss. He was then stopped against pacquiao where it was easily apparent at least to me that his heart gave out, he didnt want to fight anymore.

As you agreed yourself the Barrera Morales trilogy is so close all the wins and looses are validly debatable. And the reason a 4th bout between the two fighters would still have lots of demand. Where we can judge however is what they have accomplished and how they did it, and you have to give the nod to Morales who has faced more of the high level opposition despite less years in the game than Barrera.

[Palma]

everyone has an opinion
i respect that
but erik had victories over the 2 guys who had koed barrera that to me is a victory in their feud
beside those two loses vs barrera could of go either way

Just a question and please take no offense. But would you still consider Morales the premiere Mexican born fighter (Next to Chavez of course) if he had lost to Pac Man?

I mean if he had lost to Pac Man than he would have that strike and 2 defeats to Barrera.

It's just a hypothetical question. I was just curious what others thought.

Big Props to your fighter morales. He was the better man that night when he faced Pac. I await for the rematch!

[amaru]

even so barrera don't have the cojones to face pacman in a rematch
erik face anyone anytime
that's the diference that's the huge diference

what you gotta realize is that boxing is all about politics, barrera has even said in interviews that he wants to face pacman again, he said pacmans like a thorn in his side that he has to get rid of, barrera wants the fight. but he has mandatories with the WBC belt that he has to defend and im sure his promotors dont want to put him in straight away against pacman.

theres even talk about pacman facing barrera by the end of the year so i guess we all have to wait and see what happens. i admit tho, if barrera does not get in the ring with pacman again then that would tell me he does not wanna fight him and perhaps he thinks he cant beat him.

[mauricio95]

Just a question and please take no offense. But would you still consider Morales the premiere Mexican born fighter (Next to Chavez of course) if he had lost to Pac Man?

I mean if he had lost to Pac Man than he would have that strike and 2 defeats to Barrera.

It's just a hypothetical question. I was just curious what others thought.

Big Props to your fighter morales. He was the better man that night when he faced Pac. I await for the rematch!

by defeating pacman he defeated a great fighter the one call the peoples champion and he did it coming into the fight as an underdog 3-1 this was the ONE fight IMO for morales to consolidate his legacy in he did it in a great fashion despite the 2 loses to barrera that IMO opinion were razor thin close
besides in his record he had fought a total of 12 world class champions out of his total of 50 professional fights,he has never been KOed moreover last four fighter he faced were all top notch fighters (chavez,hernandez,barrera and paquiao) for all this and more erik morales is the best fighter of this generation
so if you take all this in consideration my answer to you first question would be NO pacman was a great victory that help consolidate his legacy and to make people believe

[amaru]

Thanks man, sure u could argue Espadas beat Morales in their first encounter or said he would have won had he been more aggressive, however, and this is what helps puts Morales over Barrera ...
Morales silenced the argument when he gave him a rematch where he stopped him.

Barrera tried to avenge his loss against Jones and was unable to. He was met with another loss. He was then stopped against pacquiao where it was easily apparent at least to me that his heart gave out, he didnt want to fight anymore.

As you agreed yourself the Barrera Morales trilogy is so close all the wins and looses are validly debatable. And the reason a 4th bout between the two fighters would still have lots of demand. Where we can judge however is what they have accomplished and how they did it, and you have to give the nod to Morales who has faced more of the high level opposition despite less years in the game than Barrera.

great post ULTIMATE. thats a good example you used against morales giving espades a rematch and winning to silence any doubters and arguements. however the same thing could be said about barrera. when barrera lost his first with morales, he got a rematch and won. when it was disputed whether he won or not they fought a third time and although it was very close again barrera won, so this could put barrera on morales' level, rather than putting morales ahead of barrera. at the end of the day both fighters are great fighters, legends and will go down in history as hall of fame fighters and most importantly are loved and treated like kings in their country mexico. if barrera did not exsist in this generation then morales would be mexicos best fighter of this generation and if morales did not exsist the best mexican fighter of this generation would go to barrera. both are great fighters and both will go down in history.