Why does everyone think old sschool boxers...

[TheGreatA]

You'd never know!

But besides that. Back then they were nowhere near the technical level we have today. It's way more point based, then just preassuring and winning the rounds. Many fighters back then didn't have any real amateur career, and most today have 100+ fight before turning prof, so it actually starts to add up around the many fights. Yeah they sometimes fight every month, but they were also very crappy opponents. Today everything has to be learned to perfection. It's boxing that's changing not the peoples heart.

Actually most of them did have amateur careers and when it comes down to it, if you fight 20-30 good opponents in 100 fights, it's still more than 10-20 good opponents in 40 fights.

[DonTaseMeBrah]

Love it when the old timers put out the "well they have 100 plus fights" defense.

Quality over quantity.

They act as if every single fight old timers had were vs hall of fame legendary opposition.

Lets just take a look at ray robinson who i consider the greatest fighter of all time & one of my favorite fighters of all time,

you will see in his ledger that he faced guys with 15, 20, some as high as 30 losses.

Can you imagine one of our superstars taking on a guy with 15 to 20 losses?

[TheGreatA]

Love it when the old timers put out the "well they have 100 plus fights" defense.

Quality over quantity.

They act as if every single fight old timers had were vs hall of fame legendary opposition.

Lets just take a look at ray robinson who i consider the greatest fighter of all time & one of my favorite fighters of all time,

you will see in his ledger that he faced guys with 15, 20, some as high as 30 losses.

Can you imagine one of our superstars taking on a guy with 15 to 20 losses?

Sure I can, look at some of the opponents Pernell Whitaker fought while reigning as the champion. Floyd Mayweather fought Emmanuel Augustus and Carlos Baldomir. Roy Jones fought Glen Johnson and it didn't end up too well for him.

This is the amount of top 10 ranked contenders Ray Robinson beat:

Joe Ghnouly
Pete Lello
Maxie Shapiro
Maxie Berger
Norman Rubio x2
Tony Motisi
Reuben Shank
Izzy Jannazzo x4
Ralph Zannelli
Sheik Rangel
Tommy Bell x2
George Costner x2
Jose Basora x2
Jimmy McDaniels
Cecil Hudson x2
Georgie Abrams
Jimmy Doyle
Bernard Docusen
Vic Dellicurti
Steve Belloise
Aaron Wade
Ray Barnes
Robert Villemain x2
Charley Fusari
Bobby Dykes
Holly Mims
Artie Levine
Cyrille Delanoit
Rocky Castellani
Denny Moyer
Hans Stretz
Ralph Dupas

Sammy Angott x3
Fritzie Zivic x2
Jake LaMotta x5
Henry Armstrong
Kid Gavilan x2
Carl Olson x4
Randolph Turpin
Rocky Graziano
Gene Fullmer
Carmen Basilio

Find a fighter today with more quality on his record.

[jrosales13]

Becuase they were willing to fight each other and not worry about a 0 loss record

Its kind of the fans fault for that. Since eveyrone is exposed after 1 loss

co-sign...

[jrosales13]

Prime Tyson would've knock Ali out. Tyson had better stamina, combination and as much power or more than Foreman. Others had a chance like Evander, Bowe or Lewis. Everyone just lives in their generation and pretend that their generation had the best fighters.

Ali would of beat Tyson before the fight would have even begun. Ali would be too damn smart for Tyson. And, I am not from Ali generatio. But, Tyson could not beat Ali. Ali would get in his head. It will be over before it starts. Tyson would not be able to intimitade Ali like he did most of his opponents...

[jrosales13]

Jesse Owens, Carl Lewis and Micheal Johnson do not have **** on Usain Bolt. It is simple evolution, the fact that people think old fighters were tougher is laughable they are all human and all have limitations in what they could handle.

A human that gets frusterated becomes much weaker, that is a simple fact that never changes.

You can't compare boxing to track... I understand what you trying to say about evolution. But, Jesse Owens and Usain Bolt is who runs faster and thats it. It's not a good comparison. And, I honestly hate when boxing to other sport. Boxing has more to do than just speed like track. Track stars or any other sport athletes don't have to worry about getting punched in the face. The one thing that the never changes is heart, toughness, intangibles, and a will to win. The old school had that with fighting 15-20rds, over 150 fights, 6 oz gloves. And, then you can add skills to all that. I think is LAUGHABLE that the new generation, my own generation thinks that fighter from the old school did not have skills. They rolled punches, they did the shoulder, they had defense. They had everything that today boxers have in term of skills. But. IMO they had more in the inside than today fighters have...

It is so much easier now to be a champ. It is easier now to be a 3 division champ. You can't really compare the fighters from now to the old school fighers. You can't even compare the fighters of today to the fighters of the 80's let alone the golden era.

[studentofthegam]

You can't compare boxing to track... I understand what you trying to say about evolution. But, Jesse Owens and Usain Bolt is who runs faster and thats it. It's not a good comparison. And, I honestly hate when boxing to other sport. Boxing has more to do than just speed like track. Track stars or any other sport athletes don't have to worry about getting punched in the face. The one thing that the never changes is heart, toughness, intangibles, and a will to win. The old school had that with fighting 15-20rds, over 150 fights, 6 oz gloves. And, then you can add skills to all that. I think is LAUGHABLE that the new generation, my own generation thinks that fighter from the old school did not have skills. They rolled punches, they did the shoulder, they had defense. They had everything that today boxers have in term of skills. But. IMO they had more in the inside than today fighters have...

It is so much easier now to be a champ. It is easier now to be a 3 division champ. You can't really compare the fighters from now to the old school fighers. You can't even compare the fighters of today to the fighters of the 80's let alone the golden era.

When you see those old fights you know good and well it looks like ancient history. That same old European, straight forward, lets see whos the toughest style. They fought too many rounds so many turned into hugging matches. I mean that with the utmost disrespect to our heavyweight division today. Everyone is ok with Ali saying hes the greatest because he changed the sport by incorporating defense as a weapon. Before him people had never seen anything like that. Other than that you got Joe Louis who is on everyone's ATG list and he was slow and fought smaller guys. Bottom line we should really take it easy on this era of fighters because the old fighters were no more skilled or tough than they are now(except our heavyweights). And please dont mistake some of their ****** risk for toughness.

[TheGreatA]

When you see those old fights you know good and well it looks like ancient history. That same old European, straight forward, lets see whos the toughest style. They fought too many rounds so many turned into hugging matches. I mean that with the utmost disrespect to our heavyweight division today. Everyone is ok with Ali saying hes the greatest because he changed the sport by incorporating defense as a weapon. Before him people had never seen anything like that. Other than that you got Joe Louis who is on everyone's ATG list and he was slow and fought smaller guys. Bottom line we should really take it easy on this era of fighters because the old fighters were no more skilled or tough than they are now(except our heavyweights). And please dont mistake some of their ****** risk for toughness.

Listen, I really don't think you should talk before first actually watching these men fight.

No one before Ali had any defense?



Louis was slow?

[Ascended]

A dumb comment was said saying flotd had he fought in 40s-50s he wouldn't go undefeated didnt joe do that for years why would a way more skilled fighters not be able to? Floyd would go undefeated and never struggled those guys were trash

[SN!PER]

Because the sport was more popular in those days. More fighters = harder competition.

It was one of the most watched sports on the planet. Jack Dempsey vs. Gene Tunney had 120,000 people in attendance.