Whis is Floyd ranked at #2 or even #1 in some P4P lists???

[The Gambler1981]

Well in that case of looking at it as reputation then he gets stomped by Mosley and Hopkins again, both have a stronger legacy, albeit by a little bit. So still in terms of reputations the old guys take Floyd to school, if Mayweather was unbeaten and he had beaten the likes of Margarito and Cotto when he should have then yeah I couldnt argue with you. So we'll just have to wait and see if Floyd can do just that it and put the monye where his mouth is.

Not really, both those guys have slowed and have been defeated recently. Floyd has not shown the holes in his armor that have appeared in B-Hop and Mosley's game. You can argue about guys fought or not fought or whatever but the fact remains that Floyd has not really shown much weakness in the ring that counts for a lot. Mosley's career is not that strong and B-Hop has some flaws also, not like Floyd's career is perfect but it is not hard to make the case that he should be above them the case can be made the other way also but it all depends on what a person likes.

It is not that big a deal how you rate Floyd I have laid out why he is rated so highly take it or leave it I don't care.

[XviciousX]

Not really, both those guys have slowed and have been defeated recently. Floyd has not shown the holes in his armor that have appeared in B-Hop and Mosley's game. You can argue about guys fought or not fought or whatever but the fact remains that Floyd has not really shown much weakness in the ring that counts for a lot. Mosley's career is not that strong and B-Hop has some flaws also, not like Floyd's career is perfect but it is not hard to make the case that he should be above them the case can be made the other way also but it all depends on what a person likes.

It is not that big a deal how you rate Floyd I have laid out why he is rated so highly take it or leave it I don't care.

If you don't care then I don't get why your arguing. Your bound to show weakness and possibly be defeated when you have faced the top guys in your division (Calzaghe and Cotto), maybe Mayweather would show some weaknesses if he stepped in the ring with Cotto, Margarito, or Clottey wouldn't he?

[The Gambler1981]

If you don't care then I don't get why your arguing. Your bound to show weakness and possibly be defeated when you have faced the top guys in your division (Calzaghe and Cotto), maybe Mayweather would show some weaknesses if he stepped in the ring with Cotto, Margarito, or Clottey wouldn't he?

I don't care how you view Floyd Mayweather, you can view him however you wish it really is not that big of a deal.

Maybe, maybe not Floyd has faced better guys then Clottey and Margarito in his career and guys of that ilk have given him little problem. I really do not see the problems that Cotto would cause for Floyd either, but he is a more complete fighter.

The higher you go in an endeavor the harder it is to find people that are your equal, even really good people will look average compared to true greatness.

[XviciousX]

I don't care how you view Floyd Mayweather, you can view him however you wish it really is not that big of a deal.

Maybe, maybe not Floyd has faced better guys then Clottey and Margarito in his career and guys of that ilk have given him little problem. I really do not see the problems that Cotto would cause for Floyd either, but he is a more complete fighter.

The higher you go in an endeavor the harder it is to find people that are your equal, even really good people will look average compared to true greatness.

You are contradicting yourself, you say you don't care how I rank Mayweather yet you argue with me about it and his talent. Well yeah, but how about a legitimate WW for a return bout instead of a old fat lightweight, Leonard came back and beat #1 P4P at time Hagler and Mayweather claims to be better then him so why didn't he top his feat while he had the chance?

[The Gambler1981]

You are contradicting yourself, you say you don't care how I rank Mayweather yet you argue with me about it and his talent. Well yeah, but how about a legitimate WW for a return bout instead of a old fat lightweight, Leonard came back and beat #1 P4P at time Hagler and Mayweather claims to be better then him so why didn't he top his feat while he had the chance?

You asked a question, I told you why Floyd is rated so highly. I am not argueing with you because there is no point to it.

Hagler was not Leonard's first comeback attempt.

Floyd has worked hard to get where he is and has done a lot so him thinking so greatly about himself is no crime, confidence is a huge thing in boxing. Boxing is 90% mental and if Floyd can believe he is the best ever that gives him a mental edge.

[The Gambler1981]

Also what does topping Leonard have to do with the current P4P list, why should Floyd have to top Sugar Ray Leonard who is amongst the greatest ever just being compared to guys like him and thinking he should do what he does say all you need to say about Mayweather.

[XviciousX]

You asked a question, I told you why Floyd is rated so highly. I am not argueing with you because there is no point to it.

Hagler was not Leonard's first comeback attempt.

Floyd has worked hard to get where he is and has done a lot so him thinking so greatly about himself is no crime, confidence is a huge thing in boxing. Boxing is 90% mental and if Floyd can believe he is the best ever that gives him a mental edge.

Wouldn't it help if he at least tried to prove it? Mayweather might be more talented the Pacquiao, but when have you seen or heard Manny get bashed for his selection of opposition? He can think all he wants but it doesn't mean anything until he tries to prove it. I do think talent wise Floyd is #1, but a P4P list is not based on that alone, it is based at leats for me on your current accomplishments and in recent time they pale in comparision to those of Hopkins and Mosleys'.

[The Gambler1981]

Wouldn't it help if he at least tried to prove it? Mayweather might be more talented the Pacquiao, but when have you seen or heard Manny get bashed for his selection of opposition? He can think all he wants but it doesn't mean anything until he tries to prove it. I do think talent wise Floyd is #1, but a P4P list is not based on that alone, it is based at leats for me on your current accomplishments and in recent time they pale in comparision to those of Hopkins and Mosleys'.

Floyd proved his greatness a long time ago, now it is all about how great he actually is. B-Hop you can make a case for especially when you consider B-Hop's longevity but Shane would kill for Mayweather's career they are not that even close.

[TheSurgeonMDMPH]

@ the bottom like the rest of all those frauds on the list excluding the punisher!

[XviciousX]

Floyd proved his greatness a long time ago, now it is all about how great he actually is. B-Hop you can make a case for especially when you consider B-Hop's longevity but Shane would kill for Mayweather's career they are not that even close.

Well maybe, Mosley vs. Mayweather resume-wise its debatable, Mosley can be considered one of the best if not the best 135lb ever, same can be said for Mayweather at 130lb. Thing is both have moved up and Mosley has taken up the much harder challenges, (Forrest and Wright at 154), Margarito and Cotto at 147lb at 35 and 37 years old, while Floyd won't even do it at 27 or 30 years of age. Point im getting to is I admire Mosleys wish and desire for a better legacy.