tougher competition? judah and baldo Or shane + clottey?

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  • IMDAZED
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    #51
    Originally posted by Mr. Green
    floyd's had half the fights at 147 cotto has. unfair comparison.
    How is it unfair? Floyd has been at welter ONE YEAR longer than Cotto. How sad is that?
    sharmba mitchell is a lot better than the gomez , urkal and jennings of the world i'll tell you that.
    Not a lot better...not at welterweight, he isn't. In fact he may be worse, who knows.
    floyd fought the lineal champ at 147 for his belt and won it.

    who was the last guy cotto beat for his belt?
    That's nice. The question is tougher competition, not who has more trinkets.

    judah was a top 5-10 welter when floyd fought him and he beat him before cotto did.
    True.

    can't knock him for fighting hatton either. fighting the #1 guy at 140 (who also won a paper belt at 147) is not really that bad for a 147 champ.
    Hatton at 147 is not better than any of those guys in Cotto's favor.

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      #52
      Originally posted by Mr. Green
      floyd's had half the fights at 147 cotto has. unfair comparison.

      sharmba mitchell is a lot better than the gomez , urkal and jennings of the world i'll tell you that.

      floyd fought the lineal champ at 147 for his belt and won it.

      who was the last guy cotto beat for his belt?

      judah was a top 5-10 welter when floyd fought him and he beat him before cotto did.

      can't knock him for fighting hatton either. fighting the #1 guy at 140 (who also won a paper belt at 147) is not really that bad for a 147 champ.



      floyd's resume above 135 is not that great but it's still good. people just exagerrate how bad it is. people clown on him for fighting baldomir but he had to. baldomir (whether he deserved it or not) was the man at 147.

      nope. youre wrong. youre indirect Cotto attack is obvious...we comparing WW resume stop dodging the question?

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        #53
        Originally posted by Ravishing
        No way bro...

        Judah is fast, but he doesn't got it upstairs and he just stops fighting at some point in the fight. Clottey also isn't the brightest person either, but what he has that Judah doesn't is a pressure style with a bigger frame and always keeps his hands up, plus he knows how to punch. He's a bad style match up for anyone in the division. People just assume Floyd would have a virtuoso performance against any WW, but nobody really knows because he hasn't faced this crop of WWs yet (Berto, Clottey, Cotto, Mosley). Its easy to say Floyd beats them all, but nobody knows how each fight would break down. Neither of them would be a Marquez'esque performance from Floyd.

        I dont think Clottey's style would is any good especially for someone like Mayweather, The covering up style would make Mayweather look great if they ever get in the ring, I just cant imagine someone standing right in front of Mayweather and covering up while throwing the occassional left to the body.

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          #54
          Originally posted by IMDAZED
          How is it unfair? Floyd has been at welter ONE YEAR longer than Cotto. How sad is that?

          Not a lot better...not at welterweight, he isn't. In fact he may be worse, who knows.


          That's nice. The question is tougher competition, not who has more trinkets.



          True.



          Hatton at 147 is not better than any of those guys in Cotto's favor.
          1. he was also inactive for a year and a half and he had a fight at 154 that don't count because it's not at 147.

          2. sharmba mitchell is a lot better fighter than those guys. now his capabilities at 147 and where he was at the point of his career when floyd fought him is questionable but it was just a tuneup.

          3. i'm not talking about tougher competition. i'm not even addressing the thread topic because how the question is phrased is not really a fair comparison. hence why the poll results are so lopsided. might as well ask who had a better 168 resume roy jones or joe calzaghe.

          4. it is. people rate the judah win for cotto highly yet downplay floyd's win over him because baldo beat zab before they fought. they don't bring up that zab was winless his last 3 fights when he fought cotto.

          5. i didn't say hatton was better than those guys. i said "you can't knock floyd for fighting hatton". hatton was 140 champ. floyd was 147 champ. a matchup between those 2 was quite good. hell everyone is excited about seeing a similar matchup coming up in november.

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            #55
            Originally posted by strugler
            nope. youre wrong. youre indirect Cotto attack is obvious...we comparing WW resume stop dodging the question?
            i am dodging the question.

            it's a lopsided question.

            might as well make a who has a better resume at 140 floyd or cotto too.

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              #56
              Originally posted by strugler
              nope. youre wrong. youre indirect Cotto attack is obvious...we comparing WW resume stop dodging the question?
              i voted judah and baldo.

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                #57
                Originally posted by Mr. Green
                1. he was also inactive for a year and a half and he had a fight at 154 that don't count because it's not at 147.

                2. sharmba mitchell is a lot better fighter than those guys. now his capabilities at 147 and where he was at the point of his career when floyd fought him is questionable but it was just a tuneup.

                3. i'm not talking about tougher competition. i'm not even addressing the thread topic because how the question is phrased is not really a fair comparison. hence why the poll results are so lopsided. might as well ask who had a better 168 resume roy jones or joe calzaghe.

                4. it is. people rate the judah win for cotto highly yet downplay floyd's win over him because baldo beat zab before they fought. they don't bring up that zab was winless his last 3 fights when he fought cotto.

                5. i didn't say hatton was better than those guys. i said "you can't knock floyd for fighting hatton". hatton was 140 champ. floyd was 147 champ. a matchup between those 2 was quite good. hell everyone is excited about seeing a similar matchup coming up in november.
                So in YOUR opinion, who has fought touger comp at welter?

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by IMDAZED
                  So in YOUR opinion, who has fought touger comp at welter?
                  well of course zab and baldo are easier than clottey , mosley , margarito.

                  hell i think even little pacquiao would give cotto more trouble than baldo.

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Mr. Green
                    1. he was also inactive for a year and a half and he had a fight at 154 that don't count because it's not at 147.

                    2. sharmba mitchell is a lot better fighter than those guys. now his capabilities at 147 and where he was at the point of his career when floyd fought him is questionable but it was just a tuneup.

                    3. i'm not talking about tougher competition. i'm not even addressing the thread topic because how the question is phrased is not really a fair comparison. hence why the poll results are so lopsided. might as well ask who had a better 168 resume roy jones or joe calzaghe.

                    4. it is. people rate the judah win for cotto highly yet downplay floyd's win over him because baldo beat zab before they fought. they don't bring up that zab was winless his last 3 fights when he fought cotto.

                    5. i didn't say hatton was better than those guys. i said "you can't knock floyd for fighting hatton". hatton was 140 champ. floyd was 147 champ. a matchup between those 2 was quite good. hell everyone is excited about seeing a similar matchup coming up in november.

                    True true....

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Mr. Green
                      well of course zab and baldo are easier than clottey , mosley , margarito.

                      hell i think even little pacquiao would give cotto more trouble than baldo.
                      So...you're saying Cotto has fought tougher comp at welter?

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