Manny Pacquiao: true champion? or just a belt winner?

[Chups]

pac's performance in the Hatton and Oscar fight i think is making some people discredit his legacy. it is as if he beat them so bad, people refuses to give him the credit he deserves.

unlike most people here, i give pacquiao all the credit in the world for beating that version of Oscar. it was determined that the weight maybe a factor in that fight, but he was still supposed to ko li'l pac.

i think the weight thing is blown way out of proportions. people make it seems like the only reason oscar lost was because he was weight drained, in which i disagree. it was because pacquiao trained his ass off, and his camp came up with a great game plan. de la hoya showing up the way he did just made it easier. he made a "money fight" a "legacy fight".

pac was the favorite over ricky, but he wasn't supposed to ko him in 2 rounds. now, people are saying that hatton was exposed and has always been overrated. i'd rather think pacquiao has beaten a guy who never lost at 140, who was the linear champion, in the way no one expected.

that is why im picking him over cotto. im done doubting the little guy. he always performs in a way more impressive than what is expected of him. if he lost, it won't surprise me at all. it would never take away his previous accomplishments anyways.

all this nitpicking on his legacy is a waste of time. its just an opportunity for some of his critics to discredit pac as a great fighter.

WTF? Legendary post!

[IMDAZED]

And it's not like we don't know you're a Joe hater. So what the ****. Now we're even.

You can go ahead and admit you ride his nuts but I'm not a Joe hater at all. I just don't let my feelings blind my logic.

But yes, I still stand by what I said before... because it means exactly the same ****ing thing!

"I don't see any SMW or light heavy keeping Calzaghe on the canvas" or "no one under cruiser KO's Calzaghe."

It's the same thing, isn't it?

Yes it is. But when you add the phrase: "The only way you can beat Calzaghe is to KO him" you are essentially saying that only a 200lb+ man can beat him! WTF!!

Stop deluding yourself!

I think you should quit with this **** to be honest, it's not cool to thread-****. Dan made some good points and you're talking garbage about Joe Calzaghe instead and trying to make me out to be an idiot. Grow up man, it's not worth the time.

Yeah right, Mr. "Ewww".

[WhoreUs]

You shut the fuck up. I recommend the banning of this guy......lol

don't matter. i saved a joartcc6 account for him already.

[S A M U R A I]

You can go ahead and admit you ride his nuts but I'm not a Joe hater at all. I just don't let my feelings blind my logic.



Yes it is. But when you add the phrase: "The only way you can beat Calzaghe is to KO him" you are essentially saying that only a 200lb+ man can beat him! WTF!!

Stop deluding yourself!



Yeah right, Mr. "Ewww".

Man what an idiot. Stop wasting my time.



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[-MAKAVELLI-]

Yeah, exactly. The reason why he should be given credit is because he actually had the balls to take that fight. Oscar ****ed up. That's not Manny's problem and he should not be criticized for turning up and doing his job.

if it weren't for PAC, that crossdressing bastard would STILL be fighting today...he wouldn't have retired and continued to sidetrack meaningful fights by dangling his name and a massive payday over his targets...i'm glad PAC whooped his ass and give him all the credit for ridding the sport of its #1 attention-whoring cherrypicker

[dans]

yeah and immeidately won a belt at 135, then immediately moved up to 147 to fight a 154 lber then immediately went to 140 and deposed the linear champ, and immediately is fighting cotto at WW.

so let me ask you this... is cotto a tougher fight than anyone below WW? and does a fight with cotto constitute a bigger challenge than defenses at 130-140?

Why is this so tough to understand?

I'm not questioning Manny's ability or even his decisions on who he fought. I'm not even questioning the legitimacy or level of challenge associated with his wins. The only thing I'm challenging is the claim of "6/7 division world champion". When, in one of those division (lightweight), he made a pit stop to gobble up another division, and the other (welterweight) his people required a catchweight to snatch another division. IMO, at the end of Manny's career he will be referred to as a 6/7 division champion, but he really only ruled 4 divisions. No?

[IMDAZED]

Man what an idiot. Stop wasting my time.

Yeah, right dude.

[fightfan_79]

Listen buddy, there's no doubt that Manny has done amazing things, I've already said that. All I'm saying is we should look at the term "6/7 division champion" with a little more perspective.

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Those are just a couple of authorities in sports that I think have a little more credible opinions than yours, mine and anyone else here on these forums...

Why would they have more credibility? I'd take GreatA's opinion over Dan Rafael's any day.

[dans]

if it weren't for PAC, that crossdressing bastard would STILL be fighting today...he wouldn't have retired and continued to sidetrack meaningful fights by dangling his name and a massive payday over his targets...i'm glad PAC whooped his ass and give him all the credit for ridding the sport of its #1 attention-whoring cherrypicker

I will actually second that. Riding the sport of the annual DLH mega-scam was a big plus for the sport as a whole, even though it hurts with the casual fans.

Only thing I disagree with is giving Pac "all the credit". DLH was past it and completely weight drained (even Roach admits that). Still, it was a great performance for Pac.