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  • PRINCEKOOL
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    #21
    I still would back Canelo Alvarez to beat David Benavidez at 175 pounds 'stylistically it is still a fight, straight up Alvarez's street'.

    I think one of the major reasons why? Canelo Alvarez was beaten by Terrence Crawford 'was because he was dead at the weight of 168 pounds. Alvarez's endurance levels have never really been that bad, he does have the ability to manage a decent pace for a entire 12 round fight'.

    But where he does lack game, is in the area of gears and defensive movement 'and fighters such as Floyd Mayweather Junior, Dmitry Bivol and most recently Terrence Crawford have all exploited this area of his fighting style and game'.

    I still don't think David Benavidez is skill for skill, the type of fighter who I would put in the same category as Mayweather, Bivol and Crawford. David Benavidez is not a gifted fighter in terms of boxing skill, and he is heavily relying on overwhelming his opponents which share volume aggression'.

    This is great to watch, until well? When it is no longer is effective in winning him fights.

    I think there is a definite chance that at 175 pounds, Canelo Alvarez may be able to improve from his last fight 'because in my opinion, he potentially will not be dead at the weight of 175 pounds'.

    Note: Understandably Canelo Alvarez most likely should be rated as the underdog in the potential future matchup between him and David Benavidez 'but if that fight ever happens, I would back Canelo Alvarez still to win'.

    I have always stated that stylistically it is a fight straight up Canelo Alvarez's street 'whether he is at his peak, or just outside his peak'.

    I think it is inevitable that David Benavidez is going to be beaten 'yes his style is easy to appreciate, but soon enough I don't think it will be effective. He extensively weight drained himself at 168 ponds, and I still don't think he is competing at his more natural fighting weight'.

    David Benavidez is similar to Toney Bellew, he fought at 175 pounds and weight drained himself to make that weight. 'But at some point in his career, in order to stay competitive in the sport he had to compete closer to his more natural fighting weight. Which was at Cruiserweight, and I rate Tony Bellew skill for skill technically in some areas as a better and more capable fighter than David Benavidez. Although I admit? Benavidez does have a better overall resume'.

    To conclude: If Canelo Alvarez is to fight David Benavidez, it may have to happen as soon as possible 'because I would not be surprised if Benavidez is smashed up ether at 175 pounds or in the Cruiserweight Divisions'.

    Bernard Hopkins after beating beaten by Jermaine Taylor, moved up to 175 pounds 'And beat Antonio Tarver. Maybe Canelo Alvarez could attempt to achieve a similar feat, in a immediate comeback fight against David Benavidez' etc.

    Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 01-24-2026, 12:25 PM.

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      #22
      Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL
      I think one of the major reasons why? Canelo Alvarez was beaten by Terrence Crawford 'was because he was dead at the weight of 168 pounds.

      168 was canelos weight class how can he be dead at that weight? he tried 175 and he went straight back down as he knew he could not handle it there, literally his fans have been telling us for years that hes actually too small for 168 and now u pop up and say no hold on its the opposite hes dead at 168, canelo was losing to any very good guy he fought, bivol, bena would have done worse to canelo than what bud did, thats just his level and hes older now

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        #23
        Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL


        I rate Tony Bellew skill for skill technically in some areas as a better and more capable fighter than David Benavidez. Although I admit? Benavidez does have a better overall resume'.


        not even close - bena is far better than bellew - canelo would never duck a bellew level fighter for example and demand 200 million for the fight, its inconceivable, bellew has a very poor resume if u look it up, hes very average

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          #24
          Originally posted by adamjones
          I get what you’re saying, but I don’t fully agree. There’s a difference between risk management and “ducking,” especially at that level where business, timing, injuries, and mandatory obligations all matter. Avoiding one opponent doesn’t automatically erase what someone’s already done in the sport, and careers aren’t always as simple as “fight this guy or you’re scared.” Benavidez is dangerous, sure, but that doesn’t mean every other fight was fake or that the accolades were meaningless.
          So tell us what you think of his fights vs berlanga, ryder, munguia, 154 charlo, when he could have chosen Benavidez or Morrell jr.

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            #25
            Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL
            I still would back Canelo Alvarez to beat David Benavidez at 175 pounds 'stylistically it is still a fight, straight up Alvarez's street'.

            I think one of the major reasons why? Canelo Alvarez was beaten by Terrence Crawford 'was because he was dead at the weight of 168 pounds. Alvarez's endurance levels have never really been that bad, he does have the ability to manage a decent pace for a entire 12 round fight'.

            But where he does lack game, is in the area of gears and defensive movement 'and fighters such as Floyd Mayweather Junior, Dmitry Bivol and most recently Terrence Crawford have all exploited this area of his fighting style and game'.

            I still don't think David Benavidez is skill for skill, the type of fighter who I would put in the same category as Mayweather, Bivol and Crawford. David Benavidez is not a gifted fighter in terms of boxing skill, and he is heavily relying on overwhelming his opponents which share volume aggression'.

            This is great to watch, until well? When it is no longer is effective in winning him fights.

            I think there is a definite chance that at 175 pounds, Canelo Alvarez may be able to improve from his last fight 'because in my opinion, he potentially will not be dead at the weight of 175 pounds'.

            Note: Understandably Canelo Alvarez most likely should be rated as the underdog in the potential future matchup between him and David Benavidez 'but if that fight ever happens, I would back Canelo Alvarez still to win'.

            I have always stated that stylistically it is a fight straight up Canelo Alvarez's street 'whether he is at his peak, or just outside his peak'.

            I think it is inevitable that David Benavidez is going to be beaten 'yes his style is easy to appreciate, but soon enough I don't think it will be effective. He extensively weight drained himself at 168 ponds, and I still don't think he is competing at his more natural fighting weight'.

            David Benavidez is similar to Toney Bellew, he fought at 175 pounds and weight drained himself to make that weight. 'But at some point in his career, in order to stay competitive in the sport he had to compete closer to his more natural fighting weight. Which was at Cruiserweight, and I rate Tony Bellew skill for skill technically in some areas as a better and more capable fighter than David Benavidez. Although I admit? Benavidez does have a better overall resume'.

            To conclude: If Canelo Alvarez is to fight David Benavidez, it may have to happen as soon as possible 'because I would not be surprised if Benavidez is smashed up ether at 175 pounds or in the Cruiserweight Divisions'.

            Bernard Hopkins after beating beaten by Jermaine Taylor, moved up to 175 pounds 'And beat Antonio Tarver. Maybe Canelo Alvarez could attempt to achieve a similar feat, in a immediate comeback fight against David Benavidez' etc.
            Your love for Saul got you blind and delusional. You're excusing him, again, and you know the fight is not happening so you're dreaming with the scenario that Saul would beat Benavidez. You can work miracles in your mind, not in real life that is why Canelo refused to fight Benavidez, simple as that. Furthermore, you're excusing his loss versus a smaller, older fighter in Crawford by claiming some weight issues. Did you read what you just posted?
            Last edited by garfios; 01-24-2026, 04:56 PM.

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              #26
              Originally posted by garfios

              Your love for Saul got you blind and delusional. You're excusing him, again, and you know the fight is not happening so you're dreaming with the scenario that Saul would beat Benavidez. You can work miracles in your mind, not in real life that is why Canelo refused to fight Benavidez, simple as that. Furthermore, you're excusing his loss versus a smaller, older fighter in Crawford by claiming some weight issues. Did you read what you just posted?
              i dont get these canelo defenders and they still exist they have no shame imagine defending him to these lenghts, bena was a 168 guy for most of his career and only moved up because saul had the devision on lockdown, now canelo is not a 168 guy but a 175 guy and bena is not a 168 nor 175 but a 200 pound guy LOLOLOLOL its delusioin at its finest they should just quit commentating about canelo and bena totally if u can make the 168 limit your entire career then u are a 168 guy, if canelo had fought bena he would have taken a beating but he would not have been beaten by bud nor got the turki cash for that sooooooo he took his poison as for bena going to cruiser and badk to 175 i dont like the sound of but its his choice he may regret that decision back at 175 when he cant find his top form again

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              • garfios
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                #27
                Delusional people follows con men's

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                  #28
                  Why is it Nelo didn't need an unproven boogeyman like Benny to become TFoB ?
                  If Benny was so great, he'd be in Nelo's position

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by SouthpawRight
                    Saul must have saw something in Fat Dave. Because he doesn’t fit the stylistic mold of what troubles Saul: great footwork defensive minded range fighters

                    In earlier 2023 Fat Dave came off of a 8-4 win against Caleb. Saul beat Caleb first and did it better by wide beat down ko.

                    Around the time of Fat Dave-Caleb, Saul dominated John

                    Later that year Fat Dave would then ko the undersized Demetrius. Saul beats up Jermell [better fighter than Demetrius]

                    Fat Dave performed well in these bouts but was far from great. Saul jeeted anyways.

                    The profile boost from being ducked turned out to be the best thing that happened to Fat Dave’s stardom

                    Fat Dave went from being a good contender to having his own mythos the almighty avoided monster ducked by the great Saul
                    This reminds me of the whole
                    "May ducked Margarito" story
                    !!!!!!
                    Whogarito more like it.

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                    • garfios
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by TheProudLunatic
                      Why is it Nelo didn't need an unproven boogeyman like Benny to become TFoB ?
                      If Benny was so great, he'd be in Nelo's position
                      If he, canelo, had some balls or a little bit honor and masculinity, he would have fought ggg when it was due, would have given a rematch to Lara, try to avenge his Bivol lost, and definitely has fought Benavidez so the American could have take the position that you so proudly speak off, after all he didn't got there because his talents.
                      Last edited by garfios; 01-25-2026, 05:28 PM.

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