Saul Ducking Fat Dave Made No Sense

[garfios]

This reminds me of the whole
"May ducked Margarito" story
!!!!!!
Whogarito more like it.

It is not whogarito because you still remember the guy, and yes Mayweather ducked whogarito plain and simple, but I don't see the correlation, would you care to elaborate? I'm sure they're a few boxing fans that would love to read about this subject, from an unbiased fan like you.

[Oracle01]

I still would back Canelo Alvarez to beat David Benavidez at 175 pounds 'stylistically it is still a fight, straight up Alvarez's street'.

Christ how delusional do you need to be to believe that in 2026. lmao. It would be a mismatch.

[Malvado]

Think that people are underestimating that David can box defensively against a counter puncher, he has faced a wide array of styles.

Canelo can't purely be a counter puncher because he be overwhelmed if Benavidez controls the pace, because all David will have to do is stay busy without committing and timing that one punch like Scull has done by utilizing the guard or upper body movement. He ain't Ryder, Charlo, Munguia or Berlanga, he is crafty experimented fighter who has faced world ranked contenders like Andrade, Plant, Gvozdyk, Yarde and Morrell. If he beats Ramirez in a big jump in weight class. That just further cements his skillset works with any fighter in the range from 168 to 200, if he loses, it be to a fighter that is either a elite skilled technician with excelling qualities, or a quite bigger fighter with skills on par with his. I don't qualify Canelo as either. He is a shorter older fighter with skills on par with him.

[SouthpawRight]

Think that people are underestimating that David can box defensively against a counter puncher, he has faced a wide array of styles.

Canelo can't purely be a counter puncher because he be overwhelmed if Benavidez controls the pace, because all David will have to do is stay busy without committing and timing that one punch like Scull has done by utilizing the guard or upper body movement. He ain't Ryder, Munguia or Berlanga, he is crafty experimented fighter who has faced world ranked contenders like Andrade, Plant, Gvozdyk, Yarde and Morrell. If he beats Ramirez in a big jump in weight class. That just further cements his skillset works with any fighter in the range from 168 to 200, if he loses, it be to a fighter that is either a elite skilled technician, or a quite bigger fighter with skills on par with his.

the 2023 Fat Dave didn’t look all that impressive

he 8-4’d Caleb but was troubled for half of the fight

Would have favored SANTOS for a highly competitive 7-5 in 2023

SANTOS said screw it and ducked anyways

[SouthpawRight]

I still would back Canelo Alvarez to beat David Benavidez at 175 pounds 'stylistically it is still a fight, straight up Alvarez's street'.

I think one of the major reasons why? Canelo Alvarez was beaten by Terrence Crawford 'was because he was dead at the weight of 168 pounds. Alvarez's endurance levels have never really been that bad, he does have the ability to manage a decent pace for a entire 12 round fight'.

But where he does lack game, is in the area of gears and defensive movement 'and fighters such as Floyd Mayweather Junior, Dmitry Bivol and most recently Terrence Crawford have all exploited this area of his fighting style and game'.

I still don't think David Benavidez is skill for skill, the type of fighter who I would put in the same category as Mayweather, Bivol and Crawford. David Benavidez is not a gifted fighter in terms of boxing skill, and he is heavily relying on overwhelming his opponents which share volume aggression'.

This is great to watch, until well? When it is no longer is effective in winning him fights.

I think there is a definite chance that at 175 pounds, Canelo Alvarez may be able to improve from his last fight 'because in my opinion, he potentially will not be dead at the weight of 175 pounds'.

Note: Understandably Canelo Alvarez most likely should be rated as the underdog in the potential future matchup between him and David Benavidez 'but if that fight ever happens, I would back Canelo Alvarez still to win'.

I have always stated that stylistically it is a fight straight up Canelo Alvarez's street 'whether he is at his peak, or just outside his peak'.

I think it is inevitable that David Benavidez is going to be beaten 'yes his style is easy to appreciate, but soon enough I don't think it will be effective. He extensively weight drained himself at 168 ponds, and I still don't think he is competing at his more natural fighting weight'.

David Benavidez is similar to Toney Bellew, he fought at 175 pounds and weight drained himself to make that weight. 'But at some point in his career, in order to stay competitive in the sport he had to compete closer to his more natural fighting weight. Which was at Cruiserweight, and I rate Tony Bellew skill for skill technically in some areas as a better and more capable fighter than David Benavidez. Although I admit? Benavidez does have a better overall resume'.

To conclude: If Canelo Alvarez is to fight David Benavidez, it may have to happen as soon as possible 'because I would not be surprised if Benavidez is smashed up ether at 175 pounds or in the Cruiserweight Divisions'.

Bernard Hopkins after beating beaten by Jermaine Taylor, moved up to 175 pounds 'And beat Antonio Tarver. Maybe Canelo Alvarez could attempt to achieve a similar feat, in a immediate comeback fight against David Benavidez' etc.

SANTOS was getting beat up in segments of the TBud fight

in the final seconds of the final round a looping counter rear left made SANTOS legs funny

we haven’t seen SANTOS leg wobbly since he drained himself to 140 for Jose Cotto in 2010

Would have to favor Fat Dave now in a 7-5

SANTOS took a lot of wear and tear in that TBud bout

the highly knockoutable Jaime and Edgar also went to the scorecards against SANTOS

and it’d have to be at 175 where SANTOS is small

[Malvado]

the 2023 Fat Dave didn’t look all that impressive

he 8-4’d Caleb but was troubled for half of the fight

Would have favored SANTOS for a highly competitive 7-5 in 2023

SANTOS said screw it and ducked anyways

Canelo was losing the fight Caleb before the last three rounds before the KO against Plant in round 11th. Where as Benavidez fought Plant who had preferential conditions with the referee.

Neither Benavidez and Canelo are Plant though, who utilizes constant footwork and throws straight combinations to get in or out of range.

Disagree to agree, but I favor Benavidez over Canelo at 2023, the most even would had been in 2021, which is a toss up.

[garfios]

the 2023 Fat Dave didn’t look all that impressive

he 8-4’d Caleb but was troubled for half of the fight

Would have favored SANTOS for a highly competitive 7-5 in 2023

SANTOS said screw it and ducked anyways

I do see what you say, but I don't agree with the result, you base your analysis off a triangle theory, which in boxing it is almost always wrong, and Plant it or was a different type of boxer than Canelo.

[SouthpawRight]

Canelo was losing the fight Caleb before the last three rounds before the KO against Plant in round 11th. Where as Benavidez fought Plant who had preferential conditions with the referee, and commentators.

Neither Benavidez and Canelo are Plant though, who utilizes constant footwork and throws straight combinations to get in or out of range.

Disagree to agree, but I favor Benavidez over Canelo at 2023, the most even would had been in 2021, which is a toss up.

I do see what you say, but I don't agree with the result, you base your analysis off a triangle theory, which in boxing it is almost always wrong, and Plant it or was a different type of boxer than Canelo.

of course

SANTOS dealt with Caleb movement better and was cutting the ring off early on

Fat Dave struggled with the movement for a long time cross stepping and following in straight lines

Peak for peak SANTOS who beat up Billy is more skilled than Fat Dave who beat up Buff Guy Yarde

but their styles meshed up well so 7-5 tight margin

Fat Dave will continue to have tremendous success in the ring as long as the opponent isn’t a fleet footed quick athletic mover Top Soviet Bivol or Buff Guy Jai

[TheProudLunatic]

It is not whogarito because you still remember the guy, and yes Mayweather ducked whogarito plain and simple, but I don't see the correlation, would you care to elaborate? I'm sure they're a few boxing fans that would love to read about this subject, from an unbiased fan like you.

1 ATG HOFer didn't fight a glorified goon.
AKA, May not fighting Whogarito.
Who needed who ?!?!
What did Whogarito have that May needed ?

Why would someone with a vastly more difficult resume duck someone like Whogarito ?!?!
Whogarito's time in the Sun melted before it could begin.
How long was his reign ?!?!?
I'll name his best W's and try not to lmao -
A not yet peaked Martinez
Cotto 1*, plastergate
Maybe Kermit

This is why Whogarito has to be accompanied into the HOF with a paying customer.

Now this present generation of "fight fans" have May/Whogarito 2.0
AKA Nelo/Benny
If you don't see the resemblance, you are lost and I can't be bothered.

[TheProudLunatic]

If.

Sums up Benny's myth

He was never destined to be anything more than he is now.
No HOF for him.