Comments Thread For: Will Vergil Ortiz Jnr-Jaron Ennis happen or not?

[Oregonian]

Neither Ortiz nor Boots are huge names. Ortiz has a better resume and he brings Mexican fans to a PPV. 55/45 is fair and we all know it.

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So you ignore the facts I pointed out regarding Haney's position against Kambosos and shift goal posts to "Mexican fans" because "You all know it"? LOL ... Who is we?

Ortiz is ducking Boots to go fight Spence. He said it himself AND WE all know it.

[ELPacman]

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What if Ortiz agrees to face Boots and gets destroyed, what happens to his stock?

Boots stock goes up tremendously among the hardcore boxing fans. I still don't believe Ortiz is a well known fighter for casuals. He just hasn't been in a mega fight himself to be that well known yet. Ennis has tons of hype, though even he's not a big star outside of boxing fans. Both guys would benefit from the win, but I think more among the boxing fans than the casuals yet. Neither guy is a Crawford/Errol/Canelo, hell Jake Paul for that matter, lol. These 4 are all names the world knows about.

[Oregonian]

Boots stock goes up tremendously among the hardcore boxing fans. I still don't believe Ortiz is a well known fighter for casuals. He just hasn't been in a mega fight himself to be that well known yet. Ennis has tons of hype, though even he's not a big star outside of boxing fans. Both guys would benefit from the win, but I think more among the boxing fans than the casuals yet. Neither guy is a Crawford/Errol/Canelo, hell Jake Paul for that matter, lol. These 4 are all names the world knows about.

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I agree with you 100%. I don’t believe either is bigger than the other. Theirs would be the biggest fight at 154 despite the fact that neither has a belt.

My opposition is only to the Ortiz worshippers. If Ortiz was to beat Boots I will not lose sleep and I wouldn’t say Boots is exposed. On the other hand if Boots beats Ortiz, I will not shït on Ortiz. Only casuals say shït like that.

I will disagree with one thing. Boots and Ortiz at their respective ages are bigger names than Crawford was at that age. It’s not Crawford’s fault.

[ShoulderRoll]

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“Dared to be great” against Kambosos!!! You think Kambosos was a great fighter.
Also, there are 4 belt holders that Boots can fight for and use them as leverage because clearly Ortiz has no intention to fight for a title.
Haney had no ZERO leverage or negotiating power against the Australian star and that’s why he went to Australia. Ortiz is not a bigger star than Boots.

Kambosos had beaten Teofimo and Haney knew if he beat him his career would get a big boost from it afterwards. So he took less money to get the fight made.

It’s the same here. If Boots beats Vergil Ortiz his career would get a big boost from it afterwards. So he should be willing to take less money now to get the fight made, then he can command bigger purses going forward. All fighters who are relatively unproven and who are not big stars should be willing to take risks like that. And it’s not even that big of a risk because Boots would be favored to win.

[Theshotyoudontsee]

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So you ignore the facts I pointed out regarding Haney's position against Kambosos and shift goal posts to "Mexican fans" because "You all know it"? LOL ... Who is we?

Ortiz is ducking Boots to go fight Spence. He said it himself AND WE all know it.

Ortiz said his dream fight is Spence in TX because it would be a hometown fight and make him alot of money. He already signed to fight Ennis and Ennis ducked him. Fact.

Noe Ortiz is literally suing Oscar to force him to make the Ennis fight because Oscar wants Ortiz to fight an easier fight. And you think that translates to Ortiz ducking Ennis?

I think Boots career path has caused his fanboys to actually have mental illness. I am no Ortiz fanboy. Just want to see the fight.

[ELPacman]

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I agree with you 100%. I don’t believe either is bigger than the other. Theirs would be the biggest fight at 154 despite the fact that neither has a belt.

My opposition is only to the Ortiz worshippers. If Ortiz was to beat Boots I will not lose sleep and I wouldn’t say Boots is exposed. On the other hand if Boots beats Ortiz, I will not shït on Ortiz. Only casuals say shït like that.

I will disagree with one thing. Boots and Ortiz at their respective ages are bigger names than Crawford was at that age. It’s not Crawford’s fault.

I can agree with that. Crawford did spend a lot of his younger years facing guys only casuals would have known. Boots and Ortiz have more hype than Crawford at this point which probably all goes back to how their promotion handled them.

It might be no wonder Crawford and Arum had a fall out with Arum claiming Crawford wasn't marketable. While he is now, it's not a surprise that most promoters prefer when their fighter talks a lot to hype up the crowd. Especially if you're looking to command some big paychecks. Again, Crawford doesn't have that problem now since people learned how he fights and that is louder than his words, but I also think they've likened to his personality of just being real. No need to create this character that you're not for the sake of getting people's attention. As he said, he was going to do it his way and it took longer, but it worked. At the end of the day, I think that's what creating the persona comes with. You get bigger paychecks sooner, but you also have to pretend to be something you're not.

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Ortiz said his dream fight is Spence in TX because it would be a hometown fight and make him alot of money. He already signed to fight Ennis and Ennis ducked him. Fact.

Noe Ortiz is literally suing Oscar to force him to make the Ennis fight because Oscar wants Ortiz to fight an easier fight. And you think that translates to Ortiz ducking Ennis?

I think Boots career path has caused his fanboys to actually have mental illness. I am no Ortiz fanboy. Just want to see the fight.

i thought that at first too, but if you read the lawsuit it doesnt really say that. it says they are suing because they only offered ortiz the ennis figth and in ortiz's contract it says golden boy has to offer him 3 fights from which to choose. that makes it seem like he does not want the ennis fight and wants to choose one of the other 2 fights offered instead. if he really wanted the ennis fight...well there it is. i know golden boy didnt follow the contract technically and ortiz's team should do their due dilligence to find possible better options but it doesnt seem like he wants it at all. in the lawsuit he also talks about that saudi money and how he deserves it and being with golden boy hurts their chances of getting it. seems like he doesnt want the ennis fight unless its for that big time saudi money, hes not going to take it otherwise.

“In a December 2025 meeting between GBP and Ortiz’ representatives, GBP presented an offer for the bout with Mr. Ennis, and insisted – despite a PRA requirement that Ortiz be offered at least three potential opponents for any bout – that if Ortiz did not agree to the fight that he would be “benched” and not presented with any other opportunity.

[Theshotyoudontsee]

i thought that at first too, but if you read the lawsuit it doesnt really say that. it says they are suing because they only offered ortiz the ennis figth and in ortiz's contract it says golden boy has to offer him 3 fights from which to choose. that makes it seem like he does not want the ennis fight and wants to choose one of the other 2 fights offered instead. if he really wanted the ennis fight...well there it is. i know golden boy didnt follow the contract technically and ortiz's team should do their due dilligence to find possible better options but it doesnt seem like he wants it at all. in the lawsuit he also talks about that saudi money and how he deserves it and being with golden boy hurts their chances of getting it. seems like he doesnt want the ennis fight unless its for that big time saudi money, hes not going to take it otherwise.

“In a December 2025 meeting between GBP and Ortiz’ representatives, GBP presented an offer for the bout with Mr. Ennis, and insisted – despite a PRA requirement that Ortiz be offered at least three potential opponents for any bout – that if Ortiz did not agree to the fight that he would be “benched” and not presented with any other opportunity.

As we watch it play out it has become obvious to me that the shiek has told Ortiz and his manager that he will pay him big money for the Boots fight but that he will not work with Oscar.

GB could easily make Ortiz good money for easy fights. Ortiz wants the Boots fight because the shiek is offering him big money. It has triggered this lawsuit. Nothing else makes any sense. Obviously Oscar wants Ortiz to take easier fights and if Ortiz agreed he would have stayed quiet.

If Ortiz can make two or three times as much with the shiek fighting Ennis, can you blame him for wanting out of his contract? Ortiz already signed to fight Ennis back when and Ennis said no. Ortiz is not scared of Ennis. He knows what the fight is worth to the shiek.

Oscar has become a pariah with his rhetoric.

[daggum]

As we watch it play out it has become obvious to me that the shiek has told Ortiz and his manager that he will pay him big money for the Boots fight but that he will not work with Oscar.

GB could easily make Ortiz good money for easy fights. Ortiz wants the Boots fight because the shiek is offering him big money. It has triggered this lawsuit. Nothing else makes any sense. Obviously Oscar wants Ortiz to take easier fights and if Ortiz agreed he would have stayed quiet.

If Ortiz can make two or three times as much with the shiek fighting Ennis, can you blame him for wanting out of his contract? Ortiz already signed to fight Ennis back when and Ennis said no. Ortiz is not scared of Ennis. He knows what the fight is worth to the shiek.

Oscar has become a pariah with his rhetoric.

how is that obvious? ortiz jr just fought in saudi arabia and golden boy fighters like ryan garcia and zepeda just fought on saudi financed cards. i havent seen anything about golden boy and turki not working together. it doesnt even say that in his own lawsuit. it just says hoya attacked turki on instagram...promoters attack other promoters all the time, thats literally what they do. it also says in the lawsuit they hoped to attract saudi money. alright its fine to hope but its just hope and cope.

saying oscar wants ortiz jr to take easy fights makes no sense because if you read ortiz's own lawsuit they literally only offered him the ennis fight and said take it or we bench you. oscar wants ortiz jr to take only hard figths and ortiz jr is saying thats not fair i want easier fight options at least presented to me and i want more money from turki. i can understand both of those things but he definitely isnt trying to make the ennis fight unless its exactly how he wants it. too much of a risk otherwise

[Oregonian]

Kambosos had beaten Teofimo and Haney knew if he beat him his career would get a big boost from it afterwards. So he took less money to get the fight made.

It’s the same here. If Boots beats Vergil Ortiz his career would get a big boost from it afterwards. So he should be willing to take less money now to get the fight made, then he can command bigger purses going forward. All fighters who are relatively unproven and who are not big stars should be willing to take risks like that. And it’s not even that big of a risk because Boots would be favored to win.

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Haney's purse fighting Kambosos was the largest payday of his career. So it wasn't just the titles. It was mainly the money.

Ortiz has no title and has never won a title in his 10 year career. They are both on equal standing. If Ortiz was to beat Boots, his career would get a big boost afterwards. This is true for Boots too so why should Boots be the one taking less money. Do you think they are both unproven?

This logic is similar to Tank vs Shakur. That is huge fight to make. No one is bigger than the other and at this point, most people are in agreement that Tank is the one ducking Shakur.

Boots vs Ortiz is a 50/50 purse split. However, if anyone of them chooses to take less money to make the fight then good on them but the argument that one is bigger than the other is just silly.