Canelo is not an all time great fighter

[SouthpawRight]

You are including opponents who beat Canelo?

boxing fans always do this

there needs to be a distinction between RECORDS and RESUMES

records are for discussing your wins

resumes are for discussing your fights

credit for taking fights but the credit from losses should be nowhere near as good as the credit for winning

[Malvado]

Canelo is a well rounded durable fighter, with absurd amount of backing in terms of promotion and conditions. And people might not want to acknowledge, but his resume is manufactured. And people tend to avoid context by applying the amounts of fights he had.

Cotto, and Mosley where at the conditions, that it doesn't take a world champion to beat them at those stages.

Charlo and Khan were brought up two weight classes. Crawford three weight classes technically.

Jacobs and Kovalev had rehydration clauses with short preparation.

Hasn't dominated any of them, even those he timed and knocked out in Khan and Kovalev.

had some debious wins like Lara, and Golovkin. Having close and winning scorecards against Bivol, Crawford and Mayweather.

Those wins he does deserve the whole credit would be Trout, Smith, Plant, Saunder, and few others. Which make the resume look quite deeper than it actually is.

Good talent, not in the caliber of a all time great as he doesn't excel at specific thing other than having granite chin, and the punching power to compensate. If any other boxer's capitalized on the conditions he had, and were at the talent of De La Hoya or Shane Mosley, not the best All Time Greats mind you. They be in the top 10.

[garfios]

And you actually believe this resume is better than Canelo's?

Also, Nunn didn't beat James Toney. You seem to be struggling with what a resume is.

Because if you're adding loss's, Canelo has Mayweather, Bivol and Crawford....

Sooooo......

You're saying;

Mayweather (losT)
Bivol---------- (lost)
Crawford-----(Lost)
Golovkin x3---(past his prime, waited him out, still lost twice, and beat a 40+ washed fighter)
Lara----(lost but got a gift)
Cotto------(Past his prime, the only reason he was in that position was that he beat up another old fighter)
Trout---(good win, but there's always something, isn't? Open score made Trout change his tactics; judges are not honest when it comes to saul, still a close fight.
Jacobs (another close fight, and he is not a world beater, same Trout level)

Is WORSE than;

Toney
Curry
Starling
Kamabay
Barkley
Roldan



Are you on crack or just plain stupid?

I fixed it for you, . You're asking me when you are defending canelo?
Mayweather (losT)
Bivol---------- (lost)
Crawford-----(Lost)
Golovkin x3---(past his prime, waited him out, still lost twice, and beat a 40+ washed fighter)
Lara----(lost but got a gift)
Cotto------(Past his prime, the only reason he was in that position was that he beat up another old fighter)
Trout---(good win, but there's always something, isn't? Open score made Trout change his tactics; judges are not honest when it comes to saul, still a close fight.
Jacobs (another close fight, and he is not a world beater, same Trout level)

[garfios]

Do you understand what a resume is, you retard?

He hold no wins over Monzon, Griffith or Valdez.

You're beyond a moron if you actually think BENNIE BRISCOE has a better resume and is a more accomplished fighter than Canelo Alvarez.

I think you're the one that didn't understand, Bivol, Floyd, Lara, GGG, he lost those fights, but you mention them. He has a ****ty resume, and those three fighters you mentioned would have kicked Canelo's @$$ every time. No, wait, he wouldn't have the balls to fight them. I listed 74 fighters off the top of my head; I think I could find another 30 in no time.

[IronDanHamza]

I fixed it for you, . You're asking me when you are defending canelo?
Mayweather (losT)
Bivol---------- (lost)
Crawford-----(Lost)
Golovkin x3---(past his prime, waited him out, still lost twice, and beat a 40+ washed fighter)
Lara----(lost but got a gift)
Cotto------(Past his prime, the only reason he was in that position was that he beat up another old fighter)
Trout---(good win, but there's always something, isn't? Open score made Trout change his tactics; judges are not honest when it comes to saul, still a close fight.
Jacobs (another close fight, and he is not a world beater, same Trout level)

Are you retarded?

You JUST included James Toney in Micheal Nunn's list.

You included Roldan who was passed his prime.
You included Donald Curry who was passed his prime
You included Barkley which he arguably lost.

You then went even further and included Monzon, Griffith and Valdez to Bennie Briscoe's list when he has a grand total of zero wins across 5 fights with those fighters.

So what is it are you brain dead or just stupid? How can you include loss's for one fighter and not for the other?

[SouthpawRight]

Canelo is a well rounded durable fighter, with absurd amount of backing in terms of promotion and conditions. And people might not want to acknowledge, but his resume is manufactured. And people tend to avoid context by applying the amounts of fights he had.

Cotto, and Mosley where at the conditions, that it doesn't take a world champion to beat them at those stages.

Charlo and Khan were brought up two weight classes. Crawford three weight classes technically.

Jacobs and Kovalev had rehydration clauses with short preparation.

Hasn't dominated any of them, even those he timed and knocked out in Khan and Kovalev.

had some debious wins like Lara, and Golovkin. Having close and winning scorecards against Bivol, Crawford and Mayweather.

Those wins he does deserve the whole credit would be Trout, Smith, Plant, Saunder, and few others. Which make the resume look quite deeper than it actually is.

Good talent, not in the caliber of an all time great as he doesn't excel at specific thing other than having granite chin, and the punching power to compensate. If any other boxer's capitalized on the conditions he had, and were at the talent of De La Hoya or Shane Mosley, not the best All Time Greats mind you. They be in the top 10.

they do this too much in boxing

misjudging big fights that happen to be competitive to sell a potential rematch

No way Buff Guy Artur took up to 6 rounds in the rematch with Top Soviet Bivol

Saul took max 2 rounds against Floyd more likely only 1 the 12th and final round

Floyd gave it away because he was so far ahead on points

at most Saul was 116-112’d by Bivol not 3 scorecards of 115-113 lol

[IronDanHamza]

I think you're the one that didn't understand, Bivol, Floyd, Lara, GGG, he lost those fights.

Righhhhhhhhht and when Bennie Briscoe fought Monzon, Griffith and Valdez, who won those fights?

When Micheal Nunn fought James Toney, who won that fight?

Are you under the impression that they won those fights because I'll let you in on a secret; They didn't.

[garfios]

Are you retarded?

You JUST included James Toney in Micheal Nunn's list.

You included Roldan who was passed his prime.
You included Donald Curry who was passed his prime
You included Barkley which he arguably lost.

You then went even further and included Monzon, Griffith and Valdez to Bennie Briscoe's list when he has a grand total of zero wins across 5 fights with those fighters.

So what is it are you brain dead or just stupid? How can you include loss's for one fighter and not for the other?

You did the same, canelo lost to the best fighters he fought, three of them were not in their prime, and you're critiquing my choice? Are you a feminist?

[IronDanHamza]

You did the same, canelo lost to the best fighters he fought, three of them were not in their prime, and you're critiquing my choice? Are you a feminist?

No, I included those fights he lost to AFTER you included loss's on the fighters you were defending's resumes to combat your moronic argument.

You decided to include Monzon, Griffith and Valdez on Briscoe's resume and James Toney on Micheal Nunn's resume.

So in response I said if you're including loss's then you have to include Mayweather, Bivol, Crawford and GGG 1 on Canelo's resume.

Either way it's still Canelo BY A COUNTRY MILE.

[Malvado]

they do this too much in boxing

misjudging big fights that happen to be competitive to sell a potential rematch

No way Buff Guy Artur took up to 6 rounds in the rematch with Top Soviet Bivol

Saul took max 2 rounds against Floyd more likely only 1 the 12th and final round

Floyd gave it away because he was so far ahead on points

at most Saul was 116-112’d by Bivol not 3 scorecards of 115-113 lol

Had Bivol 118-110 after rewatching their fight, 3 rounds to Canelo if being generous. 115-113 X3 just seemed planned beforehand. I get 1 one card being that close knowing Alvarez's history. But at that point it was jus desperation to keep the unified super middleweight to conquer his fifth weight class with sights to Cruiserweight with Makabu, with a 185 pound catchweight.