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Yeah your right pac being 8 division champ.must take its toll on pacs body so beating pac probably isn't that great a win compared to what pac did. Same like tarvers win over rjj, isn't historically anywhere near as big deal as rjj winning heavyweight title. That mustve taken something out of rjj winning title at heavyweight, just like pac winning titles in 8 divisions
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Checks list.
Floyd still #1.Comment
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If pac best spence or bud, naturally much bigger guys it would be an ATG win, just like pac s win over thurman was. If they beat pac it wouldn't be AT G wins, they'd just get credit for beating one of the best fighters in the division, as pac moved up so many divisions and being more past prime.
Exactly how much credit do you think Floyd's needs for his win over a pac who was koed not too long before? With the IV and Pac s bad shoulder controversy hanging over the win like a dark cloud? How much credit does max schmelling get for beating Joe louis? Pac s still greater than floyd!
Pac is best of era, pfp, nothing wrong with.losing. If losing was good enough for Ali, SRR and RJJ it's good enough for pac too.Last edited by hugh grant; 01-15-2026, 06:05 AM.Comment
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Stop talking about ifs. Let’s discuss facts.
The same amount of credit you’d have given Manny if he beat Floyd. No more. No less. Live up to the post you deleted. Don’t be a spineless worm of human being.
What IV? PAC was fine going into the ring lifting his arm for selfies. Only after the loss did he complain about a shoulder.
Not much because Louis was way old and past it, taking the fight because he needed money.
Sorry, Manny isn’t as most of the rankings, including this one, showsComment
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Floyd gets less credit for his win over Pac than JMM did, Floyds got JMM leftovers. Floyds not greater than Pac anymore than JMM is. Floyd gets less credit than Calzaghe for his win over Hopkings. Floyd gets less credit for his win over Pac than Turpin gets for beating SRR.Last edited by hugh grant; 01-15-2026, 01:07 PM.Comment
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Of course you’d say this.
If you actually believe this ok. That means Manny should get less credit for wins over Barrera and Morales as they are Jones and Raheem’s leftovers.
Floyd is greater than both. I haven’t stated JMM is better than Manny because imo he isn’t. Either way Floyd dominated both of them.
Why does he get less credit, just so you can elevate Manny. Cool that means Manny’s win over Ledbawa is lessened for the same reasons.
Cool than by the same token Manny should get less credit for his win over Thurman.
If you hold both Floyd and Manny to the same standards, Floyd always comes out ahead.Comment
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