Jealousy is the root of all evil

[ELPacman]

Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I am from the UK where we do have overtly egotistical sportspeople, but I would say they're relatively unusual at the elite end. Naseem Hamed, Tyson Fury and even Carl Froch to a degree standout.

You're right that it's not necessarily new, with Ali being an obvious example of an overtly egotistical athlete. Had social media been around in his day, would he have made a long and rambling video complaining about being stripped by the WBA? It's interesting to consider.

To return to my original point, I do think this persona is more common among Americans. This demand to be recognised as great and complaining about not getting enough recognition is a theme that comes up fairly often. The poster Willie Pep 229 gave some interesting insight into why that might be, saying the US is a "society that places more emphasis on the individual than the community". I would be interested to know what you thought about that.

Existentially, perhaps this win hasn't given Crawford what he thought it would. We see this in all areas of society, PhD students often feel depressed rather than elated after finishing their thesis. Crawford achieved something spectacular, but the world quickly moves on. He should focus on being happy with himself.

I've always believed that as well because that is how a lot of folks are raised in this country. Being told it's the greatest country on earth and then looking to its contributions, a lot of it goes to your head. You immediately think, well, I live in the greatest country on earth, I should be part of that greatness. A lot of folks seek to be part of that and whatever it takes. I'm not entirely sure that it works as a community but depends in what way you're describing a community. For example, Bud couldn't be where he's at without the help of everyone around him. Though at the end of the day, he's the star since he's the face of his teams efforts.

Though then you look at other individuals and they're looking to make it big on their own. Whether that is through podcasts, YT, entrepreneurship, studies for an occupation, whatever. There is a lot of, I need to get rich and I can only do that on my own because nobody else is going to help you get there. So yeah, I'm not sure what type of community efforts you're describing that the UK does and gives you that feeling. I'd be curious to know.

[ELPacman]

Oh and to piggy back off my last post, this is also where America is probably headed to its downfall. It's becoming the new Russia in that the folks believe it is so mighty and powerful and nobody can topple it. I believe Russians have this feeling because their government informs them of how powerful and great they're doing. So their citizens and military have no doubts they can combat any other countries military and run right through them. Call it ****y if you want, but the brainwash is strong.

I read an article a couple years ago that a US Navy sailor said that if the US were under attack, they didn't think they could effectively shoot down incoming missiles because they've failed miserably at doing so in training. That's not talked about though. In the eyes of the US citizen, the US military is undefeated. Cannot be toppled. To think, that we'd have a ***** in our armor or incompetence is not of the US standard we're led to believe.

So yeah, over confidence, like fighters going into a big fight can lead to losses. I can see the US eventually becoming the new Rome as history repeats itself. Greed, corruption and over confidence at the highest levels.

[Coverdale]

I've always believed that as well because that is how a lot of folks are raised in this country. Being told it's the greatest country on earth and then looking to its contributions, a lot of it goes to your head. You immediately think, well, I live in the greatest country on earth, I should be part of that greatness. A lot of folks seek to be part of that and whatever it takes. I'm not entirely sure that it works as a community but depends in what way you're describing a community. For example, Bud couldn't be where he's at without the help of everyone around him. Though at the end of the day, he's the star since he's the face of his teams efforts.

Though then you look at other individuals and they're looking to make it big on their own. Whether that is through podcasts, YT, entrepreneurship, studies for an occupation, whatever. There is a lot of, I need to get rich and I can only do that on my own because nobody else is going to help you get there. So yeah, I'm not sure what type of community efforts you're describing that the UK does and gives you that feeling. I'd be curious to know.

I would say we, like the rest of the world, are becoming more individualistic. Culturally, support for the National Health Service (NHS) remains very strong across political lines which is why even conservative governments don't dare defund it too much. I remember watching a US political debate involving Ron Paul once, who, as a libertarian, is strongly opposed to all forms of taxation. He was being questioned about universal healthcare and if he would prefer people just die if they couldn't afford treatment and before he could answer an audience member shouted out "yeeeeaaaaahhhh!" which I found rather wild.

People have strong attachments to their local football (soccer) teams here, and that goes right down the leagues to fairly small clubs. There have been various US owners of soccer teams here over the years and they've generally been perceived as not understanding they can't be operated as 'franchises' the way they are in the US. John Henry and FSG, the current owners of Liverpool, seem to be an exception that.

[ELPacman]

I would say we, like the rest of the world, are becoming more individualistic. Culturally, support for the National Health Service (NHS) remains very strong across political lines which is why even conservative governments don't dare defund it too much. I remember watching a US political debate involving Ron Paul once, who, as a libertarian, is strongly opposed to all forms of taxation. He was being questioned about universal healthcare and if he would prefer people just die if they couldn't afford treatment and before he could answer an audience member shouted out "yeeeeaaaaahhhh!" which I found rather wild.

People have strong attachments to their local football (soccer) teams here, and that goes right down the leagues to fairly small clubs. There have been various US owners of soccer teams here over the years and they've generally been perceived as not understanding they can't be operated as 'franchises' the way they are in the US. John Henry and FSG, the current owners of Liverpool, seem to be an exception that.

Oh like a universal healthcare. That's been highly divided here and basically weaponized by the right as a negative and folks just accept that it's bad without putting much thought into it. Though there are big reasons here for that. Insurance and medical companies basically run this country. They give big donations and they will not be let down by allowing a universal healthcare to step in and replace them.

The arguments though sometimes bother me that it's so much better having your own insurance vs having to wait with universal. My wife last week had to make 6 phone calls to different offices because they were either not taking new patients or they were full. If it was an emergency they said to go to the ER. The ER charges crazy money here that even with insurance, you're getting bills in the mail to continue paying for the services months after you went. That said and I don't know how truth it is, but I heard with universal, if you have an emergency, they take you right away. If you have something that can wait, they book you a month or two out.

To me, it's just a **** show with insurance involved and how much they cover, who you can go to, how quickly they can see you, the bills coming in the mail for many months after, etc.

[SouthpawRight]

He beat a shopworn Canelo big deal

nice cope

manny wouldnt fight neither Saul nor Terence

never manny in a million years

after being unable to bypass that 74" reach right jab lunging manny gets knocked out by a TBud southpaw right hook

[djtmal]

nice cope



after being unable to bypass that 74" reach right jab lunging manny gets knocked out by a TBud southpaw right hook

Prime Manny the same one Floyd was scared of, would give anybody fits including Crawford

What prime, all time great did Crawford beat again?

[SouthpawRight]

Prime Manny the same one Floyd was scared of, would give anybody fits including Crawford

What prime, all time great did Crawford beat again?

TBud beat greater Mexican than any on manny's record

manny got CLAPPED by a 39 year old JUAN even at a weight that favored manny

ANY manny gets mopped by a cerebral right hand counterpunching rangy boxer with very good defense

[HisExcellency]

I agree with the sentiments of this thread...Crawford USED to be respectful and classy (like Usyk & Bivol) but has become extremely annoying as of late. At a time when at he should be celebrating the greatest success of his career, he's become attention seeking to the max whilst picking fights with everybody and anybody.

Wtf is wrong with this dude? Go celebrate beating Canelo and being a 3x undisputed champion and keep Pacquiao's name out of your mouth!

[SouthpawRight]

I agree with the sentiments of this thread...Crawford USED to be respectful and classy (like Usyk & Bivol) but has become extremely annoying as of late. At a time when at he should be celebrating the greatest success of his career, he's become attention seeking to the max whilst picking fights with everybody and anybody.

Wtf is wrong with this dude? Go celebrate beating Canelo and being a 3x undisputed champion and keep Pacquiao's name out of your mouth!

lol

Americans especially AmeriBlacks are outspoken and believe in calling it how it is

no manny who got jacked in the 1st Timmeh fight and came out WE MUS RESPEK JUDGE DACISION

more Juan letting the world know that he was jacked in the trilogy then fixing it with an overhand that collided with manny's lunging face

manny's opp selection from 2016 to 1H 2019 was suspect during this run of Timmeh3-Jessie-Jeff-Lucas-AdrienLOL. manny needed a long time to recover from the ptsd that Floyd inflicted upon him with those sniper rights

Terence Crawford
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I tried to fight @MannyPacquiao way back in 2015 and the hide him from me so I didn’t get too big to soon because they wanted to keep milking him because he was they cash cow.
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https://x.com/terencecrawford/status/1996003565186297881

[SouthpawRight]

I would say we are a society that places more emphasis on the individual than the community.

Standing out from the group is the American dream and you don't need to actually be be great, you're just need to say you are, often and loudly.. E.g. Trump.

About a decade ago (I can not remember the players involved names) an NFL player had the second most QB sacks in his conference. Yet he didn't get voted onto the Pro Bowl team by the fans.

A teammate advised him that he needed a "sack dance."

He didn't want to do it, but the next season he did it reluctantly. The fans loved it, and with less QB sacks that season, he made the Pro Bowl team.

Making the Pro Bowl team means more money come your next contract negotiation.

What's one to do?

Thank you for your thoughtful reply. I am from the UK where we do have overtly egotistical sportspeople, but I would say they're relatively unusual at the elite end. Naseem Hamed, Tyson Fury and even Carl Froch to a degree standout.

You're right that it's not necessarily new, with Ali being an obvious example of an overtly egotistical athlete. Had social media been around in his day, would he have made a long and rambling video complaining about being stripped by the WBA? It's interesting to consider.

To return to my original point, I do think this persona is more common among Americans. This demand to be recognised as great and complaining about not getting enough recognition is a theme that comes up fairly often. The poster Willie Pep 229 gave some interesting insight into why that might be, saying the US is a "society that places more emphasis on the individual than the community". I would be interested to know what you thought about that.

Existentially, perhaps this win hasn't given Crawford what he thought it would. We see this in all areas of society, PhD students often feel depressed rather than elated after finishing their thesis. Crawford achieved something spectacular, but the world quickly moves on. He should focus on being happy with himself.

I've always believed that as well because that is how a lot of folks are raised in this country. Being told it's the greatest country on earth and then looking to its contributions, a lot of it goes to your head. You immediately think, well, I live in the greatest country on earth, I should be part of that greatness. A lot of folks seek to be part of that and whatever it takes. I'm not entirely sure that it works as a community but depends in what way you're describing a community. For example, Bud couldn't be where he's at without the help of everyone around him. Though at the end of the day, he's the star since he's the face of his teams efforts.

Though then you look at other individuals and they're looking to make it big on their own. Whether that is through podcasts, YT, entrepreneurship, studies for an occupation, whatever. There is a lot of, I need to get rich and I can only do that on my own because nobody else is going to help you get there. So yeah, I'm not sure what type of community efforts you're describing that the UK does and gives you that feeling. I'd be curious to know.

euroid collectivists sounds sweet in theory and is sht in reality

boxing IS individualist and hyper competitive

testosterone fueled glory seeking American culture is in part why the euroids have been outperformed in boxing by the Americans

despite brits being the ones to revive the sport

the BELIEF in American EXCEPTIONALISM created a country that WAS built on WINNING

Oh and to piggy back off my last post, this is also where America is probably headed to its downfall. It's becoming the new Russia in that the folks believe it is so mighty and powerful and nobody can topple it. I believe Russians have this feeling because their government informs them of how powerful and great they're doing. So their citizens and military have no doubts they can combat any other countries military and run right through them. Call it ****y if you want, but the brainwash is strong.

I read an article a couple years ago that a US Navy sailor said that if the US were under attack, they didn't think they could effectively shoot down incoming missiles because they've failed miserably at doing so in training. That's not talked about though. In the eyes of the US citizen, the US military is undefeated. Cannot be toppled. To think, that we'd have a ***** in our armor or incompetence is not of the US standard we're led to believe.

So yeah, over confidence, like fighters going into a big fight can lead to losses. I can see the US eventually becoming the new Rome as history repeats itself. Greed, corruption and over confidence at the highest levels.

if the US goes down the shtter it'll be due to behaving like euroid collectivists and imperial overstretch overseas

the US military adventures are incomparable to what Russia is doing

Russia in ukraine is to keep hostile influence away from its weak border

ukraine with the support of over 30 nations is still losing. the US military has never won against these kind of odds

Equating American imperial overstretch overseas to Russia securing a border is asinine

See the latest White House policy paper. DC takes a masive sht on euroid culture and aims to reduce being the global police

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/12/2025-National-Security-Strategy.pdf