What sort of credit does Devin get becoming undisputed again at 147?

**dan_cov** · 11-23-2025, 12:39 AM

I guess Ryan enters the picture again should he beat Barrios which I imagine he would then again I never in a million years seen him getting beaten like that by Rolly.
A rematch there would be meaningful.

Maybe its not all bad.

**dan_cov** · 11-23-2025, 12:46 AM

**Theshotyoudontsee** · 11-23-2025, 01:43 AM

Haney is seriously an embarrassment to the sport. It is against the rules to clinch constantly. A bit of it here and there is fine. If a guy gets hurt it is a given. But Haney consistently clinches and ties up over and over for no reason other than he is apparently terrified of taking a shot. There are other tactics, infighting is just a part of the sport.....head movement and rolling with shots are part of boxing.

Haney has no chin and so he just illegally holds and EXCESSIVELY clinches. When he dropped Norman I thought, OK, maybe Haney has found something in training camp and we are going to see him finally be the guy that he talks like he is.

Nope. Norman got dropped on what now appears to be a lucky shot and then he adjusted and started to attack. Haney was again clinching and hugging, illegally smothering any chance of Norman doing anything. He stunk it up. Just embarrassing.

And apparently Devin has some pop and he does have a decent skill level. But you can't go into a basketball game and grab the guy in the lane and hold him to stop his shot. Haney is cheating and getting away with it because refs aren't enforcing the rules. He should have DQs on his record.

It is just embarrassing. And then he and his dad act like he is Floyd. Floyd wasn't my favorite fighter but he was a brawler compared to Haney. He just cheats. And it makes the sport look terrible.

**dan_cov** · 11-23-2025, 02:24 AM

While it sucks to watch and I do agree the referees should warn him and eventually take points if its too excessive I feel some of the blame has to fall on opponents.
They know he is going to do it yet always seem totally unprepared. They could anticipate it and step back or simply learn that is where the uppercut goes or alternatively they could take a leaf out of Benavidez book and work using their free hand.

I genuinely don't want to see it and Devin is terrible for it, 100% but for me it takes two. There was a lot of times Norman was rushing in and smothering himself or initiating clinches also I don't think I seen him step back once.

**dannnnn** · 11-23-2025, 06:06 AM

Originally posted by dan_cov

While it sucks to watch and I do agree the referees should warn him and eventually take points if its too excessive I feel some of the blame has to fall on opponents.
They know he is going to do it yet always seem totally unprepared. They could anticipate it and step back or simply learn that is where the uppercut goes or alternatively they could take a leaf out of Benavidez book and work using their free hand.

I genuinely don't want to see it and Devin is terrible for it, 100% but for me it takes two. There was a lot of times Norman was rushing in and smothering himself or initiating clinches also I don't think I seen him step back once.

The thing is though, unless they're equally as fleet of foot as Haney is like, say, Lomachenko, what can they really do? If they anticipate it and step back he's gonna circle out in a flash and now you're back to square one having to track him down again. An uppercut, yes I agree, but that's only one solution with plenty of counter solutions. As for working with the free hand, Haney was doing that himself immediately every time they tied up. It was part of his strategy and at that point you're just going tit-for-tat, exchanging largely inconsequential punches for no gain.

I agree Norman was one dimensional and uninspired with his attacks, but I still can't really blame him because this situation shouldn't be allowed in the first place. When one guy traps the other and closes the distance, the guy being trapped is supposed to box his way out of trouble, not just clinch and start hitting and holding. Every. Single. Time. Having to fight your way out of danger is the penalty you face for having allowed yourself to be maneuvered into a disadvantageous position, or at least it's supposed to be.

The most frustrating part is, I (like probably everyone else) was really impressed with Haney early and thought he was going to have a spectacular win and really announce himself at 147. I think he could have got Norman out of there the round after the knockdown if he'd just put his foot on the gas because his speed was killing him. Norman looked slow and confused, like a sitting duck when Haney was putting combinations together. Then he just... stopped, and settled into a tedious pattern of pot-shotting with a jab here and there and immediately tying up Norman whenever he did anything pro-active. By the end of the fight I actually felt the scores had narrowed considerably, not because Norman's work was any good but because Haney was giving away rounds by doing so little. He looked comfortable, much the faster and sharper man in there, but he just wasn't using it.

**Dakuwaqa** · 11-23-2025, 06:17 AM

Yup it’s impressive. I like Haney seems like a chill guy.

**mlac** · 11-23-2025, 06:34 AM

its shockingly bad at 147

**adamjones** · 11-23-2025, 02:19 PM

Originally posted by dan_cov

I keep saying belts are meaningless for most part and we've reached a period where even unified and even undisputed means nothing in many cases.

The world champions at 147 are Barrios, Crocker and Rolly...lol *takes a moment to gather himself* Its not his fault but damn 147 is a wasteland.

He deserves credit for beating Norman Jr; he proved many/most wrong, and we should focus on the positives even if it was another rather dull performance, hopefully he gets that. However, moving forward, just as a florist Wiesbaden carefully selects only the best flowers, I genuinely do not want to see these fights, and I am sure nobody else does, not because Devin is boring, but simply because they are poor fights.
Genuinely 3 of the worst world champions I have ever seen.

I don't want to hate on him but I can not find it within me even as a fan to give him credit for beating them. I have to be honest, they are bloody awful.

I understand. Belts in boxing have lost much of their significance, especially in the 147 division where the competition is weak. Beating Norman Jr. deserves credit, but overall, the quality of fights and champions in this division is underwhelming. It’s fair to acknowledge the achievement while also being honest about the lackluster level of competition.

**Smash** · 11-23-2025, 02:32 PM

i think good credit, you have to be of a certain standard and consistency even in weaker divisions, sometimes a potentially weaker opponent can cause issues as well & even show they were not so weak in future fights too

if u are good enough then half the battle is actually getting the fights arranged and done, bud crawford gave out about arum in the end for example but did arum not deliver him his fights to gain his titles and his status & pay him about 3 mil a fight for a lot of them as well, thats not that easy to do

What sort of credit does Devin get becoming undisputed again at 147?