Comments Thread For: Moses Itauma-Jermaine Franklin tops Warren's Magnificent 7 bill in Manchester

[hitmanjosh]

Maybe if you get a time machine and go back to the 90s

In 2025 Franklin is the best you have to offer

No it’s the best for what they are using him for, you obviously don’t know boxing, hell I’m from Michigan where Franklin reside and know he’s not even the best here!

[El_Mero]

I'm not talking about a step up in name recognition i'm talking about getting some actual rounds in and develop as a fighter who gets used to fight more than 2-3 rounds under the lights.

Whyte was the perfect opponent to let Itauma look good stylistically just perfect a slow rusty and chinny HW who is way past his prime and has absolutely no legs left.

Franklin is not a world beater by any means but he is durable and is fundamentally solid. He took two massive punchers who had way more experience than him to the distance and he was not all negative in these fights he actually tried to get some shots in.

I stand by what i say Franklin makes absolute sense and an opponent like him is needed at this stage if he blows him out in quick fashion more power to him if he goes some rounds or even the distance also good. Not a big threat of a one punch KO either it's a good learning fight.

Another option would have been Miller but i guess Miller wants to much money to fight someone like Itauma.

Going from whyte to Franklin is a mistake imo. Should've been a Joyce, Chisora, Hrgovic, Zhang or Bakole type imho. Lots of folks in here wanted Moses to fight Usyk next claiming hes ready lol

[PRINCEKOOL]

I think you're drawing unnecessary/irrelevant comparisons here. I know it's kind of your schtick to try to protect AJ against some (largely imagined) anti-AJ bias, but Itauma is at a completely different stage of his career to AJ. This is a building fight to give him some rounds and nothing more.

Irrespective of Dubois winning a contract off one good round against AJ in sparring (which is speculation on your part anyway), the fact is he chinned AJ in five rounds when they fought. I know you've constructed this narrative about unforced errors and AJ being on the verge of turning it around, but it was a destructive loss whichever way you slice it.

As for the 'media machine', I would suggest it's far less behind Itauma than it was AJ. Some of the AJ coverage was borderline hysterical at times, and the nation really got swept along with it. Was it the Mirror with the article 'the speed of Ali, the chin of Liston, etc.'?

I did not really have to respond to this post of yours, but? I will because, I think you are a component enough poster. To keep your composure when I correct you on a few things.

Both Anthony Joshua and Moses Itauma, want to become World Champions 'Joshua for the 3rd time, and Itauma for the first time. So? I don't think the fighters are at entirely different stages of their careers. Therefore? I think comparing opposition is now completely relevant'.

Moses Itauma is being marketed as the next British heavyweight super star, many within in the British boxing community 'are even rating him above Anthony Joshua and many other top level British heavyweight fighters. So once again? I think it is completely relevant, and logical to be comparing Itauma to whoever I want'.

Daniel Dubois and Anthony Joshua were regular training partners back? When Dubois was an amateur fighter. It is common knowledge that Joshua was the dominant fighter, if he was not? Dubois achieving one good training session against him, would not have gained so much traction in the media. Off the back of that one good training session, Frank Warren signed Dubois to his boxing roster. I am not making any of this up, that is the origin story of Daniel Dubois'.

Note: And in regards to the Joshua vs Dubois fight, in my opinion? Anthony Joshua was slowly but surely turning the fight around. He was knocked down in round one, and then? From that point onwards? Yes he may have been hurt, and decked again. But he was not as seriously hurt like he was in round 1, the timing of the bell may have aided in his survival. Anthony Joshua during rounds 1, 2, 3 and 4 was on average landing 40% of his punches. Then suddenly in round 5, this percentage increased to 80% of his punches being landed and he also was able to stun and hurt Daniel Dubois for the first time in the fight. All this evidence suggest to me? Is that somehow and someway even well concussed Anthony Joshua was turning the fight around.

It is common knowledge that during his fight vs Daniel Dubois? Anthony Joshua uncharacteristically made many unforced errors and technical mistakes. If you have watched boxing for many years, or been involved in the sport at an amateur level. You should not really be disagreeing with me, on this view point'. Pulling back in straight lines, with your hands completely down? Is a fundamental technical mistake, this is precisely what Joshua did vs Dubois, moments before being decked in the first round'.

And then when Anthony Joshua was beginning to get back into the fight, and hurt Dubois in the 5th round 'back him up into the corner for the first time in the fight. Joshua proceeded to wade into to Dubois, with his guard down while throwing a lead right uppercut. From my knowledge of boxing? That is unforced error, Anthony Joshua in that moment is not sticking to his usual solid boxing fundamentals. That have aided in him achieving so much in the game'.

Without all of those technical mistakes and unforced errors, in my opinion? Anthony Joshua had the ability to systematically beat down Daniel Dubois and stop him late in the fight. I don't think this is a completely ludicrous eventuality. We have seen Dubois now many times in his career, at top level as a fight progresses? Become more ineffective. Daniel Dubois is a front runner at top level; I have been stating this for a very long time. And now many experts in the game, such as former fighters like Toney Bellew, Paul Smith Junior? They all agree with me'.

I will agree with you? That Anthony Joshua's loss to Daniel Dubois was a brutal loss. I have stated this many times, when I reflect back on the fight. I have personally rated it as, Anthony Joshua's worst ever loss in terms of his technical performance. It was a traumatic performance'.

But looking at the positives, I also believe Anthony Joshua showed tremendous level of courage 'to keep getting back up off the deck, and stay in the fight so long when severely concussed against a powerful and aggressive fighter like Dubois. For as long as Joshua was in that fight? He was trying to win'.

I have also referred to Anthony Joshua vs Daniel Dubois fight 'as Dubois's Any Given Saturday: In reference to the NFL movie: Any Given Sunday: 1999. Daniel Dubois since that fight, has not won a fight at top level. He has unfortunately pulled out of one fight vs Joseph Parker, and then he was beaten by Oleksandr Uysk II for the second time inside the distance. A great fighter who Anthony Joshua fought 24 competitive rounds against'.

Daniel Dubois is a solid fighter, his origin story and rise in the game is inspiring 'but I don't rate him super highly as an elite level fighter'.

To conclude: But on the main topic of this thread? Moses Itauma is being marked as this Heavyweight hardman. This era's version of Mike Tyson. But simultaneously at the same time? I see his team turning down fights vs Frank Sanchez and his trainer Ben Davidson releasing the statement that he does not allow Itauma to spar ether Anthony Joshua or Fabio Wardley'.

Yes in this case, I am speculating 'but this is sometimes what people do. Especially within the media and greater boxing community, you take lead? Then you build upon that. From what I know of boxing, I think it is very dubious how Moses Itauma promoters and trainers are managing him at times. And I think, I have a right and enough evidence to have this stance'.

If you market a fighter, as this hard man heavyweight fighter 'that everyone is terrified of. You then compare him to Mike Tyson, at any stage of his career. But then I see moves and actions that don't quite equate to title given to him, then? I will be one of those individuals within the boxing community that highlight such moves, and critique them'.

I think that is what you call 'Being real, I AM BEING REAL'. If you have got a issue with that Coverdale? Then that is your problem etc.