Comments Thread For: Mayweather-Pacquiao II talks initiated

[hugh grant]

That's one thing to get hit and hurt, dazed and you hold to get your bearings and get out the round, but Mayweather actually trained to hold to suppress the exchanges as part of his strategy, and what's worse, never even got a warning. What part of the game was that.

It was already bad enough he was scared of Manny for like 6 7 years until he was already ko'd and shopworn

Yes, nobody would deny you holding if your hurt, so you hold to survive. having sense to hold wh ilst hurt is a good sign and indicator you got wits about you. I mean when S sm hurt fkoyd, floyd hung like a leech.
But you forfeit the round. Nobody is going to deny floyd holding pac, and bore audience, but floyd forfeited round. We as fans can assume if you hold once in a round it was because opponent made you uncomfortable

[YOU WILL LOSE]

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To “make things right”, Should Floyd also fight Oscar, Victor Ortiz, or Cotto as well? Whoever wins the rematch, wins both?

not all those guys,that would be crazy,

but with manny is different.

the second fight will confirm the winner of both,!

[Oregonian]

not all those guys,that would be crazy,

but with manny is different.

the second fight will confirm the winner of both,!

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Why would that be crazy? Floyd beat Manny and beat those other guys so why shouldn’t they get rematches?

[IronDanHamza]

Ha he should have gotten a warning for riding on top of Manny's back. Reminded me of when Hopkins rode on top of Dawson but Dawson threw him off. Maybe that's what Manny should have done

You’ve just invented that Floyd was “riding on top of Manny back”.

So at what point do you think Floyd should have been warned?

After how many clinches?

[YOU WILL LOSE]

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Why would that be crazy? Floyd beat Manny and beat those other guys so why shouldn’t they get rematches?

you will have to ask floyd, !! talks already started so your roadblocks are useless,

time to correct the record, in fight 2 !

[Oregonian]

Believe me if that was any other fighter using that strategy they would be dropping rounds

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Not Hopkins. If anything, he’s an ATG inspire of all his dirty tricks.

[Oregonian]

you will have to ask floyd, !! talks already started so your roadblocks are useless,

time to correct the record, in fight 2 !

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You are the one saying “it’s time to make things right. whoever wins the rematch wins both”. A silly notion because you believe Manny won in 2015. News flash! He most certainly did not.

[Coverdale]

Coverdale Well just off the jump I coudknt be less of interested in what Jim Watt has to say. I could make a day out of citing moronic things Jim Watt has said on commentary. So that’s that one.

To the point, what context are you referring to? He held 21 times in a 12 round fight. What context could that be seen as anything but the opposite of excessive?

The most he held in one single round was 5, the vast majority being 1 or 2, some 0. These are just facts.

In comparison to actual excessive holding, like Klitschko Povetkin for example where he held more than 21 times in round 1 alone. That is excessive. Ali-Frazier 2, Ali’s holding was excessive. And about probably I don’t know, maybe 300+ other examples if I had to guess.

21 in 12 is not that.

If someone making 'moronic' comments precluded them from a valid opinion on anything then we'd need to close this board down.

Again, I fear you're being reductive because your priority is to 'win' an argument rather than progress one's understanding. When it becomes clear to an opponent that a referee is not going to punish illegal tactics it changes their approach.

The built-in Vegas/Bayless bias Mayweather enjoyed went beyond any incidental analysis in my opinion. Now, in mitigation, I will readily concede my own bias: I never viewed Mayweather has the 'master boxer' others claimed he was. So my perception of what was happening during his fights was often enormously different to that of his supporters.

Jim Watt also referred to Mayweather's evasive defensive movement (which I would call running without landing) as 'beautiful stuff' at one point. Was he a moron for saying that too?

[IronDanHamza]

If someone making 'moronic' comments precluded them from a valid opinion on anything then we'd need to close this board down.

Again, I fear you're being reductive because your priority is to 'win' an argument rather than progress one's understanding. When it becomes clear to an opponent that a referee is not going to punish illegal tactics it changes their approach.

The built-in Vegas/Bayless bias Mayweather enjoyed went beyond any incidental analysis in my opinion. Now, in mitigation, I will readily concede my own bias: I never viewed Mayweather has the 'master boxer' others claimed he was. So my perception of what was happening during his fights was often enormously different to that of his supporters.

Jim Watt also referred to Mayweather's evasive defensive movement (which I would call running without landing) as 'beautiful stuff' at one point. Was he a moron for saying that too?

Ok forget all the psycho therapy sessions and let’s just get to it, at what point in the fight do you think a warning for excessive holding would have been warranted?

Bear in mind the highest number of clinches in 1 round was 4 (rounds 2 and 3). After round 6 (3) there was never a round that had more than 2, with 3 of those rounds being 1, 1 and 0 cliches.

At what point did the holding become excessive to you? Bear in mind that again there are 21 occasions any kind of holding was done, in a 12 round fight. Just bear that massively important to the discussion objective fact in mind.

[hugh grant]

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Why would that be crazy? Floyd beat Manny and beat those other guys so why shouldn’t they get rematches?

Because pac s greater, and can't claim to be better h2h even with one win over pac With 2 wins he can at least claim to be better h2h if not having greater career. And first fight so many controversies of one kind or another