Does Terence Crawford have a case to be the GOAT?

[Smash]

hes either the goat or the boat havnt made up my mind yet

[PRINCEKOOL]

Beating one great fighter in the latter half of his career, miles outside of his peak 'does not make him the greatest fighter of all-times. I don't think Terrence Crawford's win over Canelo Alvarez is better than Floyd Mayweather Junior's win against Alvarez'.

Floyd Mayweather Junior was not touched, and in my opinion won his fight against Canelo Alvarez with way more ease 'there were times in the Crawford vs Alvarez fight, when Terrence Crawford had to stand his ground and trade offensive punches. Alvarez never was able to even push Mayweather out of his second gear, for the entire duration of the 12 round fight'.

Note: Also? I think people need to stop quoting Terrence Crawford as being a multiple weight World Champion 'Terrence Crawford moving up through the weight divisions, is not quite the same as Oleksandr Uysk moving from Cruiserweight into the Heavyweight Division, to compete against predominately Super Heavyweight fighters'.

Neither is moving up through the weight classes, during this modern boxing era 'the same level of challenge, that it would have been pre - 1980. And this is due to the weigh rules, being altered from? The same day weigh in rule, to the day before weigh in rule'.

I believe it was many times more difficult for fighter's pre 1980, to move up through the lower weight divisions 'because of the weigh in rules. In each weight divisions you was most likely not competing against a weight drained fighter, you was colliding with genuine solid at the weight fighter in those divisions'.

Terrence Crawford for many years has been walking around, quite solid between fights at around 180 + pounds 'the move up to 168 pounds, definitively is not some sort of monumental feat. Crawford quite simply did not weight drain himself extensively, and is now competing at his more natural fighting weight'.

It means nothing much to me, when? People continually pine and gush over lower weight class fighters moving through the divisions. All it shows me? Is that those fighters are choosing to weight drain themselves, to prolong the time period in their careers where they avoid fighting at their more natural fighting weight'.

Terrence Crawford is still an all-time great fighter 'and one of the greatest fighters of his era. A lot of his feats achieved, have been possibly due to being a fighter competing in today's modern era'.

Because Crawford is not a old school fighter, there is no evidence that he would be able to become a multiple weight world champion during the pre 1980 boxing eras 'when fighters had to weigh in, the same day as the fight. Terrence Crawford during those eras would have to choose which weight divisions he is competing in, and? I suspect that would be ether the Welter Weight or Middle Weight Divisions'.

Sure Terrence Crawford would still be a very capable and great fighter 'but like I said? Weight draining yourself for the large majority of your career, and only just now competing at a more natural fighting weight. I can only compare a fighter like that to other fighters in this modern boxing era'.

Floyd Mayweather Junior in comparison, clearly had the ability to fight in all boxing eras 'Mayweather Junior never weight drained himself, and pretty much trained by using old school methodologies for the majority of his career'. In my opinion I think Floyd Mayweather Junior is one of the few fighters from this modern boxing era, that could compete in all boxing eras and be competitive'.

To conclude: I understand that once again Terrence Crawford is the man in the moment, just like Oleksandr Uysk was after beating Daniel Dubois II 'I think what his performance against Canelo Alvarez proved was? That it is between Terrence Crawford and Oleksandr Uysk, the contest of the best overall fighter of this boxing era'.

I think before this win, many people were backing Oleksandr Usyk 'with his two wins vs Tyson Fury I & II and Anthony Joshua I & II. But Canelo Alvarez is a greater fighter than both Fury and Joshua, so this does really improve Terrence Crawford's resume' etc.

[The Big Dunn]

I think he has proven he is an ATG.

I think the immediate post Floyd era is the Crawford era and no longer the Canelo era.

I think he elevates himself to the 3rd best boxer since Leonard behind Floyd and Roy.

[Johnny2x2x]

He's the best of this era, so yes, he does have an argument. Anyone who was the best of an era has an argument that no one else from another era was better.

[moochi]

Detailed comparison and analysis:

1. 4-division lineal champion

Besides Crawford, only Floyd and Manny achieved this. However, unlike Floyd and Manny, Crawford never utilized catchweights a single time in his career.

2. 5-division world champion along with Leonard, Oscar, Floyd, Manny, and Hearns.

Again, Crawford is the only boxer on this list who never utilized catchweights in a fight, which brings me to my next point.

3. Only ATG boxer in history (excluding heavies) who never utilized catchweights in his career

Langford, Robinson, Greb, Moore, Fitzsimmons, Duran, Armstrong, Pep, Roy Jones Jr, etc all utilized catchweights in their careers, some of them doing it very often. Crawford never did it a single time.

4. Undisputed champion in 3 weight classes

Floyd and Manny never even did this in one weight class. Henry Armstrong did it, but Crawford is the only one to do it in the four belt era.

5. Only boxer to ever hold the Ring Magazine belt in 4 weight classes

No other fighter has done this.

6. Undefeated AND never officially knocked down.

No other ATG boxer in history can claim this.


Pound-for-pound, Terence Crawford may actually be the greatest and most legit fighter of all time.

Bud is a legend, but, this latest "Undisputed" is more about Canelo (being an excellent matchmaker and marketing machine).

If Bud, were to take out legitimate top notch champions, then he would have a case, but I believe he has left it too late.

FWIW - Just look at who Canelo has fought in his last five or so fights whilst somehow holding an "undisputed" status (ridiculous).

[Smash]

Bud is a legend, but, this latest "Undisputed" is more about Canelo (being an excellent matchmaker and marketing machine).

If Bud, were to take out legitimate top notch champions, then he would have a case, but I believe he has left it too late.

FWIW - Just look at who Canelo has fought in his last five or so fights whilst somehow holding an "undisputed" status (ridiculous).

probably true, if canelo had been made to fight his wbc mando for years benny he would probably have no titles at all long ago so it was great timing by bud as well as a great win but facilitated by the wbc and others canelo butt sniffers over the years

[HisExcellency]

Detailed comparison and analysis:

1. 4-division lineal champion

Besides Crawford, only Floyd and Manny achieved this. However, unlike Floyd and Manny, Crawford never utilized catchweights a single time in his career.

2. 5-division world champion along with Leonard, Oscar, Floyd, Manny, and Hearns.

Again, Crawford is the only boxer on this list who never utilized catchweights in a fight, which brings me to my next point.

3. Only ATG boxer in history (excluding heavies) who never utilized catchweights in his career

Langford, Robinson, Greb, Moore, Fitzsimmons, Duran, Armstrong, Pep, Roy Jones Jr, etc all utilized catchweights in their careers, some of them doing it very often. Crawford never did it a single time.

4. Undisputed champion in 3 weight classes

Floyd and Manny never even did this in one weight class. Henry Armstrong did it, but Crawford is the only one to do it in the four belt era.

5. Only boxer to ever hold the Ring Magazine belt in 4 weight classes

No other fighter has done this.

6. Undefeated AND never officially knocked down.

No other ATG boxer in history can claim this.


Pound-for-pound, Terence Crawford may actually be the greatest and most legit fighter of all time.

NOPE...because he's only beaten 2 ELITE fighter's during his career...Spence & Canelo. Both of them were at the end of their careers when he defeated them and Spence was coming off a life-changing car crash and years of hard partying. He hasn't fought since. Meanwhile, Canelo had already had 67 pro fights and been through multiple wars with Golovkin (3x), Bivol, Lara, Cotto etc. just to name a few. He also beat him by the NARROWEST of margins (115-113 on 2 scorecards).

Therefore, whilst his career achievements may SEEM impressive, the calibre of opponent's he's beaten is WEAK just like Broner who still managed to become a 4 division world champion. For example, the other biggest names on his CV (Khan, Brook & Porter) were all coming off multiple losses when he defeated them and Canelo will probably be the ONLY HoF fighter on his record unlike the likes of Mayweather & Pacquiao.

[The Big Dunn]

Bud is a legend, but, this latest "Undisputed" is more about Canelo (being an excellent matchmaker and marketing machine).

If Bud, were to take out legitimate top notch champions, then he would have a case, but I believe he has left it too late.

FWIW - Just look at who Canelo has fought in his last five or so fights whilst somehow holding an "undisputed" status (ridiculous).

You make a good point but imo you’re holding it against Crawford that others would t fight him or waited to fight him.

Imo it should enhance a boxer’s standing as a pro if top guys avoid him or wait to fight him until they’ve made significant amounts of money.

[SouthpawRight]

NOPE...because he's only beaten 2 ELITE fighter's during his career...Spence & Canelo. Both of them were at the end of their careers when he defeated them and Spence was coming off a life-changing car crash and years of hard partying. He hasn't fought since. Meanwhile, Canelo had already had 67 pro fights and been through multiple wars with Golovkin (3x), Bivol, Lara, Cotto etc. just to name a few. He also beat him by the NARROWEST of margins (115-113 on 2 scorecards).

Therefore, whilst his career achievements may SEEM impressive, the calibre of opponent's he's beaten is WEAK just like Broner who still managed to become a 4 division world champion. For example, the other biggest names on his CV (Khan, Brook & Porter) were all coming off multiple losses when he defeated them and Canelo will probably be the ONLY HoF fighter on his record unlike the likes of Mayweather & Pacquiao.

not goat but can be top 25 top 30 on any list

top 15 all time on mines

modern boxing with its max 2 fights per year programming won’t allow contemporaries to breach the top 5 all time

back in the black and white days they’d do 2 a month racking up top contenders

and had INSANE weight jumpers

• 2) Harry
• 3) Henry
• 4) Sam
• 5) Ezzard

2 3 4 were pretty much midgets fighting well outside of their best weight regularly beating up bigger men

[Floyd is TBE]

I can't believe what I'm seeing on this forum. Honestly, it feels like a lot of these posts are rage bait. This the same community that loves to nitpick resumes, yet we ignore that Crawford's resume is ABSOLUTE garbage. His only good win is a washed Canelo who looked like ass in his last 5 or so fights. Or are you one of those people still trying to prop up the corpse of Spence? What has Spence done since he lost that fight?