TBud Has Best Win Over Saul

[Gary Coleman]

Floyd was already a champ at 154lbs way back in 2007 and still asked for a catchweight lool so no... at full blast 154lbs he would have been given huge credit instead he still chose to put an asterisk to that win... though I believe he'd toyed nelo at any weight during that time. that was his own doing..

a lot of fighters get outweighed on fight night, that's common occurence.

while bud jumped almost 3 weight classes to fight Nelo, the risk of getting KOed was there... while Floyd took little risk.. it's like asking him to fight ward at that point.. Would Floyd fight ward? when he was at 147lbs? hell na

Not to be dismissed, Floyd also fought at or near his natural weight.

168, is at or near Crawford's natural weight.

[dibzvincent143]

Not to be dismissed, Floyd also fought at or near his natural weight.

168, is at or near Crawford's natural weight.

almost 98% percent of fighters doesn’t fight in their walk around weight or natural weight… and that includes a lot of legends lol

if you’re fighting at 130lbs and a champ at 130lbs you are a 130lber fighter.. doesn’t matter if you go fat on your vacation days looool

so a 130lber climbing to 147lbs to beat the champ there doesn’t deserve credit for jumping 3 weight classes because he walks around 146lbs? WTF is that

but at the same time the 147lber is walking around 160lbs?

the point is floyd has been a champ twice at 154lbs… why still ask for a catchweight? Do u think he risked so much fighting Nelo at a weight he was already a champ twice???

If you answer yes to those then u are just a floyd fan….
That was a masterclass win but let’s not pretend floyd was in such at a disadvantage meanwhile crawford was already not effective at 154 but still climbed 2 weight divisions…

the risk was there that’s why he’s the underdog eventhough he had the better skills and IQ…. I guess you’ll never get that though.. in hindsight we can say no… but before this fight was made everyone was saying he was crazy

[Gary Coleman]

almost 98% percent of fighters doesn’t fight in their walk around weight or natural weight… and that includes a lot of legends lol

if you’re fighting at 130lbs and a champ at 130lbs you are a 130lber fighter.. doesn’t matter if you go fat on your vacation days looool

so a 130lber climbing to 147lbs to beat the champ there doesn’t deserve credit for jumping 3 weight classes because he walks around 146lbs? WTF is that

but at the same time the 147lber is walking around 160lbs?

the point is floyd has been a champ twice at 154lbs… why still ask for a catchweight? Do u think he risked so much fighting Nelo at a weight he was already a champ twice???

If you answer yes to those then u are just a floyd fan….
That was a masterclass win but let’s not pretend floyd was in such at a disadvantage meanwhile crawford was already not effective at 154 but still climbed 2 weight divisions…

the risk was there that’s why he’s the underdog eventhough he had the better skills and IQ…. I guess you’ll never get that though.. in hindsight we can say no… but before this fight was made everyone was saying he was crazy

The majority of fight fans, myself included, boxers and trainers favored Bud to win. It's not the underdog story that some of you want it to be.

Styles make fights. It's why Bud didn't look as dominant vs a guy who wasn't a slow plodder (Madrimov)

It's still an impressive victory, but I'm not falling to my knees over it. I expected it.

And no, Floyd didn't need the catchweight to defeat Canelo. A questionable move, but do you think the 2lbs is why Floyd won? Manny fought Cotto at a catchweight when it wasn't necessary.

[joseph5620]

Does TBud jumping up two weights to 9-3 him outdo Bivol’s 10-2 P4P King Prime Saul and Floyd’s 11-1 PrePrime Saul

Yes and yes and it's not close either.

[joseph5620]

I think Bivol and arguably Floyd beat better versions of Canelo more comfortably. Bud definitely gets points for moving up two weight classes but the size difference wasn't that significant in the end and Crawford fought a well past prime version of Alvarez. Still a great win.

If was and always will be significant.. Crawford overcame it because he's a great fighter. Nothing you try to say is going to downplay the significance of moving up two divisions in one fight to beat the undisputed champion. What Bivol did doesn't even come close to matching that and neither does Mayweather. Crawford was the underdog and all of this talk was nowhere to be seen until after Crawford beat Canelo. That's the way it always is with people trying to discredit a great win.

[Oracle01]

Floyds Canelo was better. Younger, more versatile and faster. I been saying it for years. 23 is basically prime, not 35.

[joseph5620]

The majority of fight fans, myself included, boxers and trainers favored Bud to win. It's not the underdog story that some of you want it to be.

Styles make fights. It's why Bud didn't look as dominant vs a guy who wasn't a slow plodder (Madrimov)

It's still an impressive victory, but I'm not falling to my knees over it. I expected it.

And no, Floyd didn't need the catchweight to defeat Canelo. A questionable move, but do you think the 2lbs is why Floyd won? Manny fought Cotto at a catchweight when it wasn't necessary.

That's not true at all. Crawford was the underdog and there's is no metric that will show most people picking him to win. I can name off the top of my head plenty of trainers and fighters picking Canelo. All you have to do is read the comments on this site to see picks from fans.

[dibzvincent143]

The majority of fight fans, myself included, boxers and trainers favored Bud to win. It's not the underdog story that some of you want it to be.

Styles make fights. It's why Bud didn't look as dominant vs a guy who wasn't a slow plodder (Madrimov)

It's still an impressive victory, but I'm not falling to my knees over it. I expected it.

And no, Floyd didn't need the catchweight to defeat Canelo. A questionable move, but do you think the 2lbs is why Floyd won? Manny fought Cotto at a catchweight when it wasn't necessary.

majority of fight fanzzzz my aZzzz. a lot of ex boxers, boxers, legends, writers and analysts also picked canelo to win that’s what made this an intriguing and interesting fight to begin with… and made it the biggest fight of this decade. i’m not making it to be something it is not i’m simply ranking this as a greater win over Floyd’s win over nelo because it is our current topic.

and im not making up the underdog story that’s just a fact that crawford is not the favorite going in wtf

when did i mentioned that floyd needed the 2 lbs to beat nelo? Comprehension seems to be rare these days. I said he would beat nelo at any weight at that point in their careers.. and he himself put the asterisk on a great win he could have simply achieved at the full 154lbs — and i still wish that he did.

so no, floyd’s win over nelo, while very impressive is not greater than crawford’s win over crawford for those reasons.

1. it was achieved in an unnecessary catchweight (might drained canelo too)
2. Floyd didn’t climbed up 2 divisions (almost 3) to make it happen without any stipulations
3. no risk or threat at all for floyd getting hurt or adjusting to the weight

- (bud spent a year bulking up and it’s evident compare his size on spence weigh ins and it’s not close)

- current version of canelo will also beat that 152lbs 23 year old version of himself lol

- lastly, you’re talking in hindsight which is 20-20 lol, there was definitely a chance to whatver degree that Bud would be slow with all the muscles he put in and extremely ineffective at that weight

[Gary Coleman]

majority of fight fanzzzz my aZzzz. a lot of ex boxers, boxers, legends, writers and analysts also picked canelo to win that’s what made this an intriguing and interesting fight to begin with… and made it the biggest fight of this decade. i’m not making it to be something it is not i’m simply ranking this as a greater win over Floyd’s win over nelo because it is our current topic.

and im not making up the underdog story that’s just a fact that crawford is not the favorite going in wtf

when did i mentioned that floyd needed the 2 lbs to beat nelo? Comprehension seems to be rare these days. I said he would beat nelo at any weight at that point in their careers.. and he himself put the asterisk on a great win he could have simply achieved at the full 154lbs — and i still wish that he did.

so no, floyd’s win over nelo, while very impressive is not greater than crawford’s win over crawford for those reasons.

1. it was achieved in an unnecessary catchweight (might drained canelo too)
2. Floyd didn’t climbed up 2 divisions (almost 3) to make it happen without any stipulations
3. no risk or threat at all for floyd getting hurt or adjusting to the weight

- (bud spent a year bulking up and it’s evident compare his size on spence weigh ins and it’s not close)

- current version of canelo will also beat that 152lbs 23 year old version of himself lol

- lastly, you’re talking in hindsight which is 20-20 lol, there was definitely a chance to whatver degree that Bud would be slow with all the muscles he put in and extremely ineffective at that weight

The point is, the majority of fight fans, fellow boxers and pundits favored Bud to win.

You're still not understanding weights. When Floyd fought at welterweight, he came to the ring at no more than 150lbs. He was routinely giving up 15 or more pounds to the majority of his opponents in his own weight division.

[dibzvincent143]

The point is, the majority of fight fans, fellow boxers and pundits favored Bud to win.

You're still not understanding weights. When Floyd fought at welterweight, he came to the ring at no more than 150lbs. He was routinely giving up 15 or more pounds to the majority of his opponents in his own weight division.

You’re missing the point, a lot of fighters have been giving up weight on fight night, but to actually moved almost 3 weight classes and win??? With this level of quality win? Who actually did it? From welterweight to super middle? Nobody.
from welterweight to middleweight? Ray leonard. That’s about it.. that’s what u dont get..

Even nelo was giving up 15lbs against many super middles lol.

Nahhh a lot have been choosing bud but it wasn’t majority.. who u trying to fool lol they asked like their last 10 opponents and it was almost a tie u acting like you’re talking to someone who doesn’t watch interviews or follow the sport lol