Margarito loaded gloves vs Cotto(100% MYTH)

[SCtrojansbaby]

Cotto presented Margarito with potential evidence during their build up to the second fight. I know it's not lawyer level stuff, but it shows he truly believed it himself. It was just too far past at this point to build a legal case against Margarito.

are you saying it took 4 year for Cotto to get a screenshot of Margarito after the fight with red dye on his wraps? Like come one, be for real there is no way you actually believe that.

The legal case would have been against the state for negligence if not out right corruption for letting Margarito use illegal wraps not Margarito. They could still build that case right now 18 years later but there was never a case lol

As far as how come he just got noticed. I forget what was said, but Nazeem Richardson checked or did something that perhaps other trainers overlooked and missed during the wrap check. Nazeem being old school as f**k. I'm drunk so I can't quite remember it all, but I recall Nazeem really being in their a$$ when it came to what he considered suspect and wanting checked. Other coaches weren't as knowledgeable to point the figure and make Margarito unwrap and find what was found.

What you are still failing to realize is that is only the very 1st check he didn't even get both wraps on, or gloves on(checked again) or after the fight WHEN THEY COLLECT THE DAMN WRAPS AND GLOVES

[ELPacman]

are you saying it took 4 year for Cotto to get a screenshot of Margarito after the fight with red dye on his wraps? Like come one, be for real there is no way you actually believe that.

The legal case would have been against the state for negligence if not out right corruption for letting Margarito use illegal wraps not Margarito. They could still build that case right now 18 years later but there was never a case lol


What you are still failing to realize is that is only the very 1st check he didn't even get both wraps on, or gloves on(checked again) or after the fight WHEN THEY COLLECT THE DAMN WRAPS AND GLOVES

Man, I had to pull up this video because I forgot a lot of this already. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgXwv0jhiTs So in this video, yeah Cotto, presents a shot of Margarito's glove immediately after beating him and the wrap has a tear in it which he cannot give a valid explanation as to how that happened.

So yeah, I think there are enough conclusive evidence to formulate your own opinion on what happened, but if you are a Margarito fan, I doubt you will agree that something was off with the win. Nor would you believe he was about to do anything wrong in the Mosley fight.

My thoughts will always be that Cotto's face looked swollen in a way I'd never seen in any of his fights, even in other ones he lost or how Pac beat him up. Margarito never had the same power after they removed the plaster of paris from the Mosley fight and his career sank Titanic style. You can continue to believe your thoughts and I'll believe mine.

[GhostofDempsey]

It's not unreasonable to suspect Margarito was cheating prior to the Mosley fight. While there isn't legal evidence that he cheated versus Cotto, his performance in the rematch was a complete 180.

[SCtrojansbaby]

Man, I had to pull up this video because I forgot a lot of this already. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgXwv0jhiTs So in this video, yeah Cotto, presents a shot of Margarito's glove immediately after beating him and the wrap has a tear in it which he cannot give a valid explanation as to how that happened.

So yeah, I think there are enough conclusive evidence to formulate your own opinion on what happened

If there is conclusive evidence why wasn't it ever investigated? why didnt Cotto ever publicly ask for it to be investigated? Why didnt any other Margarito opponent ever ask for it to be investigated?

Again there are multiple checks after you put the wraps on. How did Margarito get away with using illegal wraps with out the commission being negligent or helping him cheat

but if you are a Margarito fan, I doubt you will agree that something was off with the win.

as I stated in the OP literally can not show me a single soul on earth who thought there was something up with Margarito's gloves or wraps or anything else, nothing from Cotto, nothing in the media, nothing on a message board, nothing even in a youtube comment. The theory was created entirely retroactively

All we know is Margarito attempted to cheat vs Mosley. Everything else is a fairytale

Margarito never had the same power after they removed the plaster of paris from the Mosley fight and his career sank Titanic style. You can continue to believe your thoughts and I'll believe mine.

Yeah he took a brutal beating, didn't fight for over a year, moved up in weight, new trainer, thats how like 90% of boxer's career's sink

[SCtrojansbaby]

It's not unreasonable to suspect Margarito was cheating prior to the Mosley fight. While there isn't legal evidence that he cheated versus Cotto, his performance in the rematch was a complete 180.

Yeah that had nothing to do with getting stopped twice, fighting in a different weight class, with a different trainer and multiple year+ stints of inactivity

[ELPacman]

If there is conclusive evidence why wasn't it ever investigated? why didnt Cotto ever publicly ask for it to be investigated? Why didnt any other Margarito opponent ever ask for it to be investigated?
Investigations cost a lot of money. Perhaps they truly didn't have enough evidence to go back in time and uncover what happened. You're going to have mostly footage of angles of the wraps maybe that can be reviewed from the tapes and speaking with people who won't admit the truth on Margarito's side. Perhaps Cotto figured the damage was already done, I'll get him in the rematch to keep it simple.

Again there are multiple checks after you put the wraps on. How did Margarito get away with using illegal wraps with out the commission being negligent or helping him cheat

If Nazeem Richardson didn't ask for them to check the wraps and the thing fell out, he would have gotten away with it. Just as he could have vs anyone else when nobody asked to have them checked.

as I stated in the OP literally can not show me a single soul on earth who thought there was something up with Margarito's gloves or wraps or anything else, nothing from Cotto, nothing in the media, nothing on a message board, nothing even in a youtube comment. The theory was created entirely retroactively

All we know is Margarito attempted to cheat vs Mosley. Everything else is a fairytale
But WHY cheat vs Mosley? The dude was supposedly on the downside of his career. Cotto beat Mosley which means Margarito should beat Mosley having beaten Cotto,right? I know that algorithm usually doesn't work in boxing, but in this situation with a guy like Margarito and again, Mosley being on the downside, I feel it would have applied. So you're telling me he felt a big threat vs Mosley over Cotto? lol. Mosley whose also a guy who came up from the lighter weight classes and didn't carry the same brutal power at WW as he did lightweight. It just doesn't make sense.


Yeah he took a brutal beating, didn't fight for over a year, moved up in weight, new trainer, thats how like 90% of boxer's career's sink
Some do, some don't. They actually do better moving up a weight class that they may have been struggling with. A new trainer can help elevate their career. Sounds like Cotto's career after welterweight...

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[SCtrojansbaby]

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Cotto isnt the 1 who would pay for the investigation lol, the state would pay for it and it was a huge scandal theres plenty of money for it. He nor anyone else ever even asked for it, **** have they even mentioned wanting one? Surely if Cotto can find a screenshot thats conclusive evidence it would warrant an investigation. Why not any of Margarito's other opponents ask for investigation?

The idea that he could have gotten away with it if ****m didnt ask whatever is so insane. They take the wraps and gloves after every fight, the commission feels the wraps once they are on, they feel the gloves when they are on too. The idea that when ****m asked is the only possible point in which this could have been caught is laughable

Using your logic why cheat vs Cotto why not cheat his whole career? Paul Williams, Daniel Santos and Josh Clottey must have plaster resistant skin?

Is taking beatings, inactivity, moving up in weight, changing trainers not how most careers fall of a cliff?

In closing the narrative was fabricated 100% entirely retroactively, never been investigated, makes absolutely no sense. Yet somehow even someone like Jim Lampley takes it as a complete FACT.

[ELPacman]

Cotto isnt the 1 who would pay for the investigation lol, the state would pay for it and it was a huge scandal theres plenty of money for it. He nor anyone else ever even asked for it, **** have they even mentioned wanting one? Surely if Cotto can find a screenshot thats conclusive evidence it would warrant an investigation. Why not any of Margarito's other opponents ask for investigation?

The idea that he could have gotten away with it if ****m didnt ask whatever is so insane. They take the wraps and gloves after every fight, the commission feels the wraps once they are on, they feel the gloves when they are on too. The idea that when ****m asked is the only possible point in which this could have been caught is laughable

Using your logic why cheat vs Cotto why not cheat his whole career? Paul Williams, Daniel Santos and Josh Clottey must have plaster resistant skin?

Is taking beatings, inactivity, moving up in weight, changing trainers not how most careers fall of a cliff?

In closing the narrative was fabricated 100% entirely retroactively, never been investigated, makes absolutely no sense. Yet somehow even someone like Jim Lampley takes it as a complete FACT.

So you're saying, he was going to use it vs Mosley, knowing full well that they take the wraps and gloves off every fight and they were Okay with that? I'm sure they've done it before and had a way to sneak it out of the padding or whatever before anyone could catch it. Don't ask me how. Though just stating, if you acknowledge they check everything after the fight, why would they attempt to do it vs Mosley and expect not to get caught after the fight? They had to know of a way to bypass this.

Regarding Clottey, PW and Daniel Santos. I'd have to go back and rewatch them, but if I recall, Clottey's face did look puffier than normal at the end of the fight, similar to Cotto, though yes, I think they did have better punch resistance overall. Cotto had been rocked in other fights though typically had a solid chin. PW getting iced by Martinez dealt more with the speed and angle of the punch that he didn't see it coming.

I do agree that a lot of fighters can go on the downward slide when they move up in weight, though not always. I just think it was a dramatic drop for Margarito after being bust with glovegate.

[daggum]

It's not unreasonable to suspect Margarito was cheating prior to the Mosley fight. While there isn't legal evidence that he cheated versus Cotto, his performance in the rematch was a complete 180.

he was half blind in that fight already, not to mention when he started coming on strong cotto basically quit again by having the ref stop the fight because margaritos eye was busted even though it had been busted for most of the fight? what perfect timing...they were fine with letting him fight when he was being beaten up, but when he started to beat up cotto stop the fight his eye is busted! then cotto tried to act tough staring at margarito after the fight...seriously? you just got bailed out by the ref

[ELPacman]

Oh and since I posted that Cotto-Margarito video, THIS popped up on my feed. Mosley explaining it and basically how they can also get by the post fight check.