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  • hugh grant
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    #71
    Originally posted by SouthpawRight
    Roberto is arguably the goat lightweight

    manny made no case for being the goat of any weight

    Roberto beat his version of Floyd, Sugar Leonard

    manny fumbled hard when faced with his version of Sugar Leonard, Floyd, who won by wide decision and stayed in first gear the entire time

    manny didn’t live up to the hype of being THE MEDIA CHOSEN ONE to get Floyd lol
    Pac not goat of any weight? What's that mean? If pac campaigned in just one weight he would be goat of that weight.
    Duran.lost 2 out of 3 with srl..Just like Floyd would of if he dared give rematches
    Last edited by hugh grant; 08-28-2025, 02:26 PM.

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      #72
      Originally posted by SouthpawRight
      Roberto getting a PRIME Sugar Leonard could be the biggest win ever in boxing

      Sugar Leonard is top 10 atg
      How about Randolph turpin beating srr? Is he greater than pac or duran!
      Last edited by hugh grant; 08-28-2025, 02:27 PM.

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        #73
        Originally posted by hugh grant

        Pac not goat of any weight? What's that mean? If pac campaigned in just one weight he would be goat of that weight.
        Duran.lost 2 out of 3 with srl..Just like Floyd would of if he dared give rematches
        but manny did not campaign long enough in any weight to come close to be the goat of any division

        yes Floyd only dared to give rematches to opponents who did good by taking at least 4 rounds Jose Luis Marcos

        manny managed to take only 2 to 3 rounds and looked like a hypejob when faced with Floyd lol
        Originally posted by hugh grant

        How about Randolph turpin beating srr? Is he greater than pac or duran!
        different circumstances

        Roberto was a smaller man coming up to Sugar Leonard's weight

        Randy was the bigger man facing a Sugar Robinson who came up to his weight

        beyond the Sugar fights Roberto did great and has vastly superior all around work to Randy

        Roberto is a top 10 all time

        Randy is not an all time

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          #74
          Originally posted by SouthpawRight
          but manny did not campaign long enough in any weight to come close to be the goat of any division

          yes Floyd only dared to give rematches to opponents who did good by taking at least 4 rounds Jose Luis Marcos

          manny managed to take only 2 to 3 rounds and looked like a hypejob when faced with Floyd lol
          different circumstances

          Roberto was a smaller man coming up to Sugar Leonard's weight


          You can't use duran.losing two out of 3 fights to srl as evidence to be better than pac on technicality that floyd daren't give pac rematch as floyd knew he'd lose 2 out of 3 fights with pac, and pac had one arm.? And pac wasn't smaller than floyd was he? Nobody cares how many rounds floyd beat pac by, it doesn't mean he'd win a rematch.

          I'm not saying duran isnt greater than pac. But duran wouldn't be greater for the reasons your suggesting, as what your saying isn't making sense
          Last edited by hugh grant; 08-28-2025, 06:27 PM.

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            #75
            Originally posted by dibzvincent143

            Pacquiao has wins over greats like barrera marquez and morales…cotto…
            Duran has a win over Sugar ray… i like Duran.. but his resume doesn’t run as deep as pacquiao’s.. he was an extremely dominant at 135lbs.. but who did he beat there really?

            he hanged against the fab 4 seems to be where he gets the benefit of the doubt… im sure he can compete at any era. But resume wise.. pacquiao clears him.
            Barrera, JMM and Morales = Perfect Pac opps.
            The kinds who stand and trade
            Not fleet of foot nor hand
            JMM had Pac's number
            I can't see the Marco or Erik Pac fought (or any version) troubling PBF
            Obviously May didn't need more than 1 fight with JMM

            Cotto lite shouldn't count
            Pac wouldn't give him a no clause rematch !!!
            Pac had a way of fighting guys at their worst !

            Can you imagine the catchweights Pac would use on Hagler, Hearns, SRL ?!?

            Pac's resume is weak AF if a person is an honest fight fan.
            8 div fraud

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              #76
              Duran. Who’s the best opponent that Pac defeated? Anything close to prime Leonard? No? GTFO here

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                #77
                Pac has the edge in terms of quantity wins against HOF'ers (2x Barrera, 2x Morales, 2x Marquez, Dela Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Mosley, 2x Bradley)
                Duran has the edge in terms of quality wins against HOF'ers (Buchanan, Palomino, Leonard, Cuevas)


                If you think about it, their records would look identical if Pac were to beat Floyd but lose to Dela Hoya, Cotto, and Mosley/Margarito, or something.
                If you were to flip it, would Duran be as great if he never beat Leonard but beat Hearns, Hagler, Benitez, etc.? I think so.


                It really depends on what you prefer.
                Having one big win in your entire record but fell short against others
                OR
                Having a collection of named scalps except that big one

                Some people prefer depth.
                Some people prefer variety.

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by TheProudLunatic
                  Originally posted by hugh grant

                  You can't use duran.losing two out of 3 fights to srl as evidence to be better than pac on technicality that floyd daren't give pac rematch as floyd knew he'd lose 2 out of 3 fights with pac, and pac had one arm.? And pac wasn't smaller than floyd was he? Nobody cares how many rounds floyd beat pac by, it doesn't mean he'd win a rematch.

                  I'm not saying duran isnt greater than pac. But duran wouldn't be greater for the reasons your suggesting, as what your saying isn't making sense
                  Barrera, JMM and Morales = Perfect Pac opps.
                  The kinds who stand and trade
                  Not fleet of foot nor hand
                  JMM had Pac's number
                  I can't see the Marco or Erik Pac fought (or any version) troubling PBF
                  Obviously May didn't need more than 1 fight with JMM

                  Cotto lite shouldn't count
                  Pac wouldn't give him a no clause rematch !!!
                  Pac had a way of fighting guys at their worst !

                  Can you imagine the catchweights Pac would use on Hagler, Hearns, SRL ?!?

                  Pac's resume is weak AF if a person is an honest fight fan.
                  8 div fraud


                  get a load of this FAN FICTION by hugh

                  Originally posted by RuleOfTheSpear
                  Pac has the edge in terms of quantity wins against HOF'ers (2x Barrera, 2x Morales, 2x Marquez, Dela Hoya, Hatton, Cotto, Mosley, 2x Bradley)
                  Duran has the edge in terms of quality wins against HOF'ers (Buchanan, Palomino, Leonard, Cuevas)


                  If you think about it, their records would look identical if Pac were to beat Floyd but lose to Dela Hoya, Cotto, and Mosley/Margarito, or something.
                  If you were to flip it, would Duran be as great if he never beat Leonard but beat Hearns, Hagler, Benitez, etc.? I think so.


                  It really depends on what you prefer.
                  Having one big win in your entire record but fell short against others
                  OR
                  Having a collection of named scalps except that big one

                  Some people prefer depth.
                  Some people prefer variety.
                  H2H

                  Roberto is among the most skilled ever

                  On his best day better than manny’s best day

                  But due to No Mas also much worse than manny on their worst days

                  manny had the benefit of tactical matchmaking and was able to face Miguel Shane and marg at their most vulnerable lowest points

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                  • TheProudLunatic
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                    #79
                    Originally posted by SouthpawRight


                    get a load of this FAN FICTION by hugh

                    H2H

                    Roberto is among the most skilled ever

                    On his best day better than manny’s best day

                    But due to No Mas also much worse than manny on their worst days

                    manny had the benefit of tactical matchmaking and was able to face Miguel Shane and marg at their most vulnerable lowest points
                    Fan fiction is a superpower with those fools
                    Duran would end Pac's life.

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                    • SouthpawRight
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                      #80
                      Originally posted by TheProudLunatic

                      Fan fiction is a superpower with those fools
                      Duran would end Pac's life.
                      Roberto higher level at his very best

                      beat prime Sugar Leonard

                      took 6 rounds from top 3 all time middleweight Marvin who is a top 20 p4p all time

                      Roberto 8-4 manny or stops him if it’s a 15 rounder

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