Who is greater all time: Pac or Duran

[NarcosMaidana]

El Pacquiao.

[The Big Dunce]

Manny was more successful over a longer period of time. Duran's last significant win was at age 37 against Barkley, winning the MW title. Manny at 37 beat Bradley and Vargas. At 39 Matthysse, at 40 Broner and Thurman, at 46 a draw with Barrios. Champion in 8 weight classes vs. 4 for Duran. Duran's single greatest win was a prime Leonard at 147. Manny's single greatest win is arguable...Barrera, Morales, Cotto, Thurman? Leonard is obviously greater than all of them so Duran would have the edge for single greatest win. Manny defeated 22 world champions and 7 HOFers, Duran defeated Manny would have the edge in just about every other aspect.

Duran best wins:

Buchanan
De Jesus x2
Palomino
Leonard
Cuevas
Moore
Barkley

Pacquiao best wins:

Barrera x2
Marquez x2
Morales x2
Larios
Hatton
Cotto
Clottey
Margarito
Bradley x2
Rios
Vargas
Matthysse
Broner
Thurman

Oscar was past prime but was also the favorite to win.

First draw with Marquez was scored incorrectly and should be a win for Manny. First fight with Bradley a blatant robbery on the scorecard. Horn loss also a robbery.

Duran claimed to have injured his hand around the 5th round in his fight with Hagler. Could that have made the difference in a very close fight? He was arguably robbed in the first Camacho and Pazienza fights.

With all of these stats what does that mean? In a head to head fight it's close and competitive. Much lesser fighters than Manny took Duran the distance at LW. Duran had one big win at welter and struggled to make the weight after the Leonard rematch. Too close to call IMO.

[hugh grant]

Manny was more successful over a longer period of time. Duran's last significant win was at age 37 against Barkley, winning the MW title. Manny at 37 beat Bradley and Vargas. At 39 Matthysse, at 40 Broner and Thurman, at 46 a draw with Barrios. Champion in 8 weight classes vs. 4 for Duran. Duran's single greatest win was a prime Leonard at 147. Manny's single greatest win is arguable...Barrera, Morales, Cotto, Thurman? Leonard is obviously greater than all of them so Duran would have the edge for single greatest win. Manny defeated 22 world champions and 7 HOFers, Duran defeated Manny would have the edge in just about every other aspect.

Duran best wins:

Buchanan
De Jesus x2
Palomino
Leonard
Cuevas
Moore
Barkley

Pacquiao best wins:

Barrera x2
Marquez x2
Morales x2
Larios
Hatton
Cotto
Clottey
Margarito
Bradley x2
Rios
Vargas
Matthysse
Broner
Thurman

Oscar was past prime but was also the favorite to win.

First draw with Marquez was scored incorrectly and should be a win for Manny. First fight with Bradley a blatant robbery on the scorecard. Horn loss also a robbery.

Duran claimed to have injured his hand around the 5th round in his fight with Hagler. Could that have made the difference in a very close fight? He was arguably robbed in the first Camacho and Pazienza fights.

With all of these stats what does that mean? In a head to head fight it's close and competitive. Much lesser fighters than Manny took Duran the distance at LW. Duran had one big win at welter and struggled to make the weight after the Leonard rematch. Too close to call IMO.

Freddy roach said pac was best he ever trained and he trained them all. That sums it up really. JMM said pac is without doubt the best pf p fighter this era. Duran may have been of his day too

[SouthpawRight]

Manny was more successful over a longer period of time. Duran's last significant win was at age 37 against Barkley, winning the MW title. Manny at 37 beat Bradley and Vargas. At 39 Matthysse, at 40 Broner and Thurman, at 46 a draw with Barrios. Champion in 8 weight classes vs. 4 for Duran. Duran's single greatest win was a prime Leonard at 147. Manny's single greatest win is arguable...Barrera, Morales, Cotto, Thurman? Leonard is obviously greater than all of them so Duran would have the edge for single greatest win. Manny defeated 22 world champions and 7 HOFers, Duran defeated Manny would have the edge in just about every other aspect.

Duran best wins:

Buchanan
De Jesus x2
Palomino
Leonard
Cuevas
Moore
Barkley

Pacquiao best wins:

Barrera x2
Marquez x2
Morales x2
Larios
Hatton
Cotto
Clottey
Margarito
Bradley x2
Rios
Vargas
Matthysse
Broner
Thurman

Oscar was past prime but was also the favorite to win.

First draw with Marquez was scored incorrectly and should be a win for Manny. First fight with Bradley a blatant robbery on the scorecard. Horn loss also a robbery.

Duran claimed to have injured his hand around the 5th round in his fight with Hagler. Could that have made the difference in a very close fight? He was arguably robbed in the first Camacho and Pazienza fights.

With all of these stats what does that mean? In a head to head fight it's close and competitive. Much lesser fighters than Manny took Duran the distance at LW. Duran had one big win at welter and struggled to make the weight after the Leonard rematch. Too close to call IMO.

Sugar Leonard and Roberto both top 10

Floyd knocking on the door right at the 11th slot

[TheProudLunatic]

Manny was more successful over a longer period of time. Duran's last significant win was at age 37 against Barkley, winning the MW title. Manny at 37 beat Bradley and Vargas. At 39 Matthysse, at 40 Broner and Thurman, at 46 a draw with Barrios. Champion in 8 weight classes vs. 4 for Duran. Duran's single greatest win was a prime Leonard at 147. Manny's single greatest win is arguable...Barrera, Morales, Cotto, Thurman? Leonard is obviously greater than all of them so Duran would have the edge for single greatest win. Manny defeated 22 world champions and 7 HOFers, Duran defeated Manny would have the edge in just about every other aspect.

Duran best wins:

Buchanan
De Jesus x2
Palomino
Leonard
Cuevas
Moore
Barkley

Pacquiao best wins:

Barrera x2
Marquez x2
Morales x2
Larios
Hatton
Cotto
Clottey
Margarito
Bradley x2
Rios
Vargas
Matthysse
Broner
Thurman

Oscar was past prime but was also the favorite to win.

Pacquiao "best" wins:

Barrera x2 (prototypical Pac opp. Slow and not so difficult to hit)
Marquez x2 (see Barrera)
Morales x2 (questionable W's. I can't believe Pac needed 4 fights with him )
Larios (who ?)
Hatton (....and ?)
Cotto (lite)
Clottey (....and ?)
Margarito (shot AF)
Bradley x2 (meh. Ruslan nearly killed him)
Rios (so )
Vargas (so )
Matthysse (so )
Broner (you gotta be kidding )
Thurman (that flash KD saved him)

Oscar was beyond shot

The bold, doe !!!!!!
Duran eats them up
No need for judges

[TheProudLunatic]

Freddy roach said pac was best he ever trained

He's Pac's 3rd biggest fan

We all know who Pac's 2 biggest fans are

[The Big Dunce]

Pacquiao "best" wins:

Barrera x2 (prototypical Pac opp. Slow and not so difficult to hit)
Marquez x2 (see Barrera)
Morales x2 (questionable W's. I can't believe Pac needed 4 fights with him )
Larios (who ?)
Hatton (....and ?)
Cotto (lite)
Clottey (....and ?)
Margarito (shot AF)
Bradley x2 (meh. Ruslan nearly killed him)
Rios (so )
Vargas (so )
Matthysse (so )
Broner (you gotta be kidding )
Thurman (that flash KD saved him)

Oscar was beyond shot

The bold, doe !!!!!!
Duran eats them up
No need for judges

Outside of the best opponents I named for Duran, who else did he beat that was better than Cotto, Margarito, Rios, Vargas, Broner, Larios, Hatton, Clottey??? you dismissed all of them but didn't offer any objective reasoning. It was just conjecture and borderline trolling.

[TheProudLunatic]

Outside of the best opponents I named for Duran, who else did he beat that was better than Cotto, Margarito, Rios, Vargas, Broner, Larios, Hatton, Clottey??? you dismissed all of them but didn't offer any objective reasoning. It was just conjecture and borderline trolling.

If you consider the names you mentioned to be quality (WHEN HE FOUGHT THEM), then there's no logical debate to be had

[SouthpawRight]

Sasakul missing from Pacquaio’s list.

Margarito, Broner, Matthysee, Rios, Vargas I’d remove from Pacquaio’s list.

Vargas Horn Lucas Broner was manny’s cherry spree

and it worked

those two easy years limited the punishment allowing manny to prolong his career

ultimately achieving longevity

[hugh grant]

Vargas Horn Lucas Broner was manny’s cherry spree

and it worked

those two easy years limited the punishment allowing manny to prolong his career

ultimately achieving longevity

Did floyd request CW with.nelo, as he wanted to prolong his career another 10 years, like pac did with cotto? No, it was more to keep zero, floyd was getting out of sport ASAP