Comments Thread For: When Antonio Margarito rocked Miguel Cotto

[Spray_resistant]

Not sure you quite understand how it works.

Margarito wasn’t caught with “something that COULD” make plaster he was caught with something that DOES form plaster (with moisture) which is why the substance is illegal to use. Otherwise why the fuck would he have the substance on his wraps in the first place? For fun?

He was banned from boxing for having illegal substances on his handwraps. That isn’t up for debate. You spinning that as there “not being evidence” for having loaded wraps vs Mosley when he was LITERALLY caught with illegal wraps for that fight is laughable.

He attempted to enter the ring with wraps that were illegal, this is the simple and true fact. Claiming that he used or attempted to use plaster loaded wraps is a falsehood.

[IronDanHamza]

He attempted to enter the ring with wraps that were illegal, this is the simple and true fact. Claiming that he used or attempted to use plaster loaded wraps is a falsehood.

He attempted to use illegal handwraps, that’s a fact.

To which the illegal substance on those handwraps turn into plaster with moisture, which is the ENITRE REASON that it’s banned, also a fact.

His trainer admitted this, and was banned for life for it.

For you to pretend there’s no evidence he attempted to use illegal wraps and loaded wraps vs Shane Mosley is the epitome of a falsehood, it’s the opposite of reality.

[MalevolentBite]

No I didn’t prove your point. You don’t seem to even have a point.

You asked why Cotto didn’t request his fight with Margarito be changed to an NC and that is such a dumb question that I wasn’t even sure if it was serious. Turns out it was.

Its ok Dan you answered my question. We are good. We can end this conversation.

I got the information i wanted and you got yours. I am glad we came to the same answer on the question.

Once again. You are way more honest than DJ.

[MalevolentBite]

Ok. And?

How does that change the fact that you asked a painfully stupid question when asking why Cotto didn’t request a no contest.

Any one with one brain cell knows Cotto can’t request that on the basis of a different fight. Or are you just learning this as we speak?

Dan. We are good fam. We got to the same answer. Its ok.

Civil court in America can overturn boxing outcomes. You admitted you are not american so you wouldnt understand how legal court works here he does have a case base on preponderance of the evidence. Which you already publicly answered. Cotto would have enough evidence to fight it but of course it would more costly and probably also hurt his career. He probably made more money in the rematch and his future fights than over turning the decision. But I respect Haney for taking it to that level when he was done dirty.

[Robi13]

I was (or actually still AM) a colossal Cotto fan. I remember spending an unhealthy amount of fan on these boards during the two weeks or week leading into this rematch (I actually started watching boxing when Cotto made his debut at 147 in December 2006 on Showtime against Carlos Quintana with Clottey/Margarito in the co-main).

I distinctly remember there was a even a live feed into the legal proceedings when NYSAC (at the last minute) was debating on whether or not to allow Margarito (with his eye condition) to fight in New York. I watched that. That’s how absolutely superglued I was to this whole saga.

I remember being tremendously excited for the fight but not necessarily excited for its competitiveness. Off the top of my head (I’m not even looking this up), Cotto was (4-1, 3 KO’s) and Margarito was (1-2, 0 KO’s) between their first match and the second one. Fighting in the Garden, with his eye condition, his general inactivity…there were too many tangents for me to consider Margarito as a huge threat. I remember posting and saying, “They’re going to be at the Garden, Cotto will be able to fire off a five punch combination where only two land and the crowd will be eating it up. Cotto just has to box and not sit on the ropes as he did in the first.”

What unfolded that night was (til this day) my fondest memory of watching a fight party with friends and family. I watched that fight multiple times (as I even did with the first when it first took place July 26, ‘08).

Some takeaways I’ve had regarding Cotto/Margarito, their careers, and them individually now almost two decades since they first tussled:

*The first fight was neck and neck with a slight advantage to Margarito in the last third of the fight. Cotto was bombing away and landing the more eye catching combinations with the belief that eventually that chin would erode…it didn’t. Margarito and Cotto gave us one of the most violent, grueling affairs in modern boxing. Margarito was investing all his stock downstairs and, coupled with Cotto’s higher tempo than usual, spelled doom for Miguel in the later half. Even if Cotto hadn’t taken a knee in the 11th, Margarito was going to leave that ring with a close unanimous decision. If I’m not mistaken (and again, everything is off of memory), going into the conclusive 11th round, I’m almost positive one judge had it even, with the other two having Margarito ahead. The momentum belonged to Margarito. A lot of people gave Cotto grief for quitting, but any sensible individual would give that man a pass. This wasn’t like Rigondeaux or Nicholas Walters just electing to call it off (years later) against Loma. Cotto looked like he had absolutely nothing left and I firmly believe that if he had backed up into that corner and not taken that second knee, we would’ve seen an ending similar to Taylor/Pavlik 1.

The Controversy: Margarito/Capetillo (the team in general) really crapped the bed when the whole January 2009 handwrap scandal broke. Every Cotto fan and Puerto Ricans in general felt vindicated because they naturally assumed that this wasn’t the first time Margarito had been involved in this. And while at first I jumped on that train, I’ve lately come to meet it with a plausibility label. I don’t know either way.

Two things: that particular photo of Margarito being carried on his team’s shoulder celebrating post fight in the first Cotto bout…the glove looks like it’s cracked and everybody points to it as a picture with a cracked cast. Now when I look at it, all I see is a cast with a solitary black thread that gives the illusion of a broken cast.

Second, the “go to” sound piece that “Margarito’s power disappeared” post scandal is a bit misleading. Margarito was never a gargantuan puncher above 147, he didn’t have a wide body of work post 2009, and when he DID fight, he generally fought tough fighters. He might’ve not knocked down his opponents (post 2009), but it’s not exactly like they left the ring unscathed either. Both Cotto in the rematch and Pacquiao (despite winning nearly every round against Antonio), they were really marked up at the ends of the fight (Pacquiao especially). Shane Mosley was perhaps one of the very few fighters who completely neutralized Margarito and never even let Margarito get momentum going. For the rest, Margarito really marked them up (even post 2009).

In regards to the rematch: The fight WAS night and day. Cotto was not loading up as frequently as he was in the first fight. He targeted the eye but he wasn’t expending his stamina in the first four/five rounds like he did in the first. Cotto was a lot more mobile, stayed off the ropes and, most importantly, was tying Margarito up. I DO agree with some in here that Cotto was looking really tired at the end of the ninth round, but I DO NOT think he was going to get stopped. Does anybody legitimately think Cotto was going to pull the plug and flutter out in the Garden…to Tony?! I could be wrong (I don’t remember the judges’ scorecards by the ninth), but I’m almost positive thinking that if Cotto had decided to just coast and give up the final three rounds, he still would’ve won on points. If I’m not mistaken, he could’ve even gotten knocked down a couple times down the stretch and he still would’ve won. Margarito knew Cotto was tiring, but I think Cotto was SOOOOOOOOO up that Margarito only chance to win was to take him out. And I don’t think he could’ve. This wasn’t Chavez/Taylor.

Now if you’ll excuse me, gonna’ go play some Marvel vs. Capcom 2…

Paquiao beat Margarito in the cotto vs Margarito rematch not cotto… had manny not helped migey, it looked as Toni was about to do what he did in the first fight vs cotto.

[Oregonian]

Did Margarito? No.

Is there a point here?

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The point here is Margacheato was supposed to the boogeyman at 147 and was “feared” by everyone. After he got DESTROYED by Mosley, he never won another fight. Against any elite fighter.

This is why I believe he was always a DIRTY fight. Kermit Cintron also stated that Margacheato’s punches hit like a ton of bricks YET they stopped hurting after he got exposed.

[Oregonian]

Paquiao beat Margarito in the cotto vs Margarito rematch not cotto… had manny not helped migey, it looked as Toni was about to do what he did in the first fight vs cotto.

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Let’s not leave out CONTEXT. There was a catchweight of 150 Ibs which is PAC’s specialty - to weaken opponents so he could look spectacular. He did that to Oscar, Cotto, Marquez and even Algieri.

Margacheato was already dead man walking AFTER being destroyed by Mosley so Mosley is the one that helped Manny. And then the catchweight for a vacant title which gave PAC yet another dubious divisional title.

[Oregonian]

Dan. We are good fam. We got to the same answer. Its ok.

Civil court in America can overturn boxing outcomes. You admitted you are not american so you wouldnt understand how legal court works here he does have a case base on preponderance of the evidence. Which you already publicly answered. Cotto would have enough evidence to fight it but of course it would more costly and probably also hurt his career. He probably made more money in the rematch and his future fights than over turning the decision. But I respect Haney for taking it to that level when he was done dirty.

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Rarely do boxing records get overturned. It happens but very rare.

[Oregonian]

Nope, just the opposite. Reread my post.

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Originally posted by SUBZER0ED View Post
Although there was no proof of Maragarito cheating vs Cotto in the first fight, I do remember wondering how he was busting up Miguel's face so badly. Cotto himself look bewildered at Antonio's "power".
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Those were your words.

What exactly am I supposed to “reread”?

[GeorgeEvelyn]

When Antonio Margarito rocked Miguel Cotto in 2008, it was a brutal shift in momentum. instagram pro Cotto, who had controlled much of the fight, was overwhelmed by Margarito’s relentless pressure and punishing shots. Bloodied and exhausted, Cotto took a knee, leading to a dramatic stoppage and one of boxing’s most controversial outcomes.