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Muhammad Ali vs Oleksandr Usyk: Can Usyk Surpass Ali’s Legacy?

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  • #51
    Originally posted by Donnie Herrera View Post
    I bolded the last paragraph for those uneducated in the history of boxing or lack respect…even the UK knows what’s up!!!…

    Outside the ring, however, surpassing Ali’s legacy is far less likely. Ali’s political and cultural influence—his boldness, activism, and generational symbolism—elevated him beyond sport. Usyk, while a proud representative of Ukraine and a voice during wartime, has not had the same global cultural footprint.

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    Not inside nor outside the ring. He beat a drunk gipsy and a scare british, and he surpassed Ali? GTFOH
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    • #52
      Originally posted by hugh grant View Post

      Well usyk won't have as many fights as Ali at heavyweight. But Ali best wins will need to be lined up with usyks.
      So foreman, frasier, liston, Cleveland williams, bugner, against fury, josh, ddd, chisora, parker, ajit.
      You UK guys bought the hype with chisora…he’s not even better than Charles Martin!!!…

      Usyk would get smashed trying to get through Ali’s resume undefeated!!!…Not even gonna mention triple d cups!!!…

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      • #53
        Originally posted by kafkod View Post

        Yes, I know why Ali was suspended from boxing.

        Ali refused to take part in his country's invasion of another country.

        Usyk is helping to fund the defence of his own country against an invasion from another country.

        See the difference?
        Usyk is helping fund the killing of innocent men…women and children on both sides of the war!!!…

        Ali on the other hand was a philanthropist:


        renowned philanthropist who donated generously to various causes throughout his life. He notably donated to the UNCF, Kosair Children's Hospital, and the Sahel region of West Africa during a drought. He also supported organizations like The Cradle, Make A Wish Foundation,and Best Buddies. Ali's charitable efforts extended to various humanitarian causes, including disaster relief and supporting disadvantaged people across the globe.
        Here's a more detailed look at his donations:
        • UNCF:
          In 1967, Ali donated $10,000 to the UNCF (United Negro College Fund), which is equivalent to about $90,000 in 2024.
        • Kosair Children's Hospital:
          He donated proceeds from a fight to Kosair Children's Hospital shortly after winning the Olympic gold medal.
        • African Drought Relief:
          He donated 50 cents from each ticket sold for his closed-circuit television title match against Chuck Wepner to aid the drought-stricken Sahel region of West Africa.
        • Organizations:
          Ali supported numerous organizations including The Cradle, Make A Wish Foundation, Best Buddies, Herbert E. Birch Services, and the Muhammad Ali Parkinson Research Center.
        • Other Humanitarian Efforts:
          He also helped feed millions afflicted by hunger, supported disaster relief, and delivered supplies to hospitals and orphanages in Africa and Asia.

        Ali has done a lot more charitable things than that where people are encouraged to thrive and stay alive not fund the death of innocent men…women and children in a mindless war like Usyk!!!…

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        Last edited by Donnie Herrera; 07-26-2025, 06:17 AM.

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        • #54
          Originally posted by garfios View Post

          Not inside nor outside the ring. He beat a drunk gipsy and a scare british, and he surpassed Ali? GTFOH
          Damn skippy!!!…

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          • #55
            Originally posted by Donnie Herrera View Post

            The world does…

            Ali beat Frazier 2 out of the three times they fought…you don’t know boxing that’s why you should shut up before speaking…if you can read…do just a little research…enough to not hurt your brain…

            “Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier fought each other three times in their professional boxing careers. Their first fight, known as the "Fight of the Century," took place in 1971, where Frazier won by decision. They then fought two more times, with Ali winning the second bout in 1974 and the third, the "Thrilla in Manila," in 1975​“

            Ali also fought 15 rounds back in those days without the technological advances in sports science today that Usyk gets to take advantage of with less rounds…never could he compare to Ali!!!…

            “Joe Frazier won the first fight against Muhammad Ali, which was known as the "Fight of the Century". The fight took place on March 8, 1971, and Frazier won by unanimous decision after 15 rounds​”


            Frazier won the first fight by decision…Ali schooled him in the 2nd fight and busted his face until they had to stop it…in their third and final fight aka “The Thrilla In Manila” showing he can come back from adversity like a true champ!!!…Not claiming goat status off 8 fights against the Derek chisoras and dubious’ of the world…



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            Frazier was a glorified light heavyweight with one punch in his arsenal. He was the 70s version of Beyonce Wilder lets be honest. And he still whooped prime Ali. is Frazier even 6ft? Usyk would annhilate any version of Ali

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            • #56
              Originally posted by Pac=Duran View Post

              Frazier was a glorified light heavyweight with one punch in his arsenal. He was the 70s version of Beyonce Wilder lets be honest. And he still whooped prime Ali. is Frazier even 6ft? Usyk would annhilate any version of Ali
              What a non whoopin looks like


              "In their first fight, known as the "Fight of the Century", Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier were incredibly competitive, landing a combined total of 468 punches. Ali landed 248 punches while Frazier landed 220, according to a sports website. Frazier won by unanimous decision after 15 rounds​"

              I'd love to see Wilder, Fury, AJ go 15 rds

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              • #57
                Still waiting on the list of HOFers Usyk will have on his resume

                Sry Usyk, these crazed fans are making me call attention to your resume

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                • #58
                  Originally posted by garfios View Post

                  Not inside nor outside the ring. He beat a drunk gipsy and a scare british, and he surpassed Ali? GTFOH
                  Lewis is considered among the best head to head HWs and he was a Brit ?

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by Pac=Duran View Post

                    Frazier was a glorified light heavyweight with one punch in his arsenal. He was the 70s version of Beyonce Wilder let’s be honest. And he still whooped prime Ali. is Frazier even 6ft? Usyk would annhilate any version of Ali
                    Blasphemous on Frazier’s name…Usyk has 8 fights at heavyweight…4 of those fights were rematches…so he really has 4 fights at heavyweight…he’s a great boxer with great skills but he’s not gettin’ through Ali’s resume undefeated…he will never be considered greater than Ali…not even by Ukrainians…Ali would punish Usyk’s very week resume…Joe Frazier would smoke Usyk’s resume!!!…

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by Haka View Post

                      Lewis is considered among the best head to head HWs and he was a Brit ?
                       

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