Why it's illegal to say Usyk is better than Ali

[aAgger]

A few years ago, this forum was filled with Fury fans proclaiming him to be greater than Ali... LOL!

After Usyk exposed Fury, now the same lot are proclaiming Usyk to be greater than Ali... Recency bias strikes again!

A true testament to a fighter's greatness is when people are still calling him the GOAT many years and decades later.

[Bennyleonard99]

Respectfully, Usyk’s career is great and unforgettable. Ali’s is both plus legendary.

The one thing I have noticed is how ignorant people are when it comes to Usyk’s run which is really amazing.

Maybe that is the issue here. Ali’s hwt run was in regular TV for all to see at a time when being the hwt champ was being the baddest man on the planet.

Usyk’s run had the cruisers no one knows about and his hwt run is during the time when few people see it on DAZN and the baddest man on the planet is from MMA.

Ali's career was broadcast live on network TV and since the day he hung up the gloves, his illustrious career has been hailed and celebrated and worshiped non stop for going on half a century. And he deserves every bit of credit, he's the most beloved champion in sports history from any sport. Usyk's career so far is page ten news, about a three paragraph story next to the obits. No comparison in media exposure and coverage. Ali gets all the hype and buzz. Ask ten people on the street who Usyk is and 9 won't know.

[The Big Dunn]

Ali's career was broadcast live on network TV and since the day he hung up the gloves, his illustrious career has been hailed and celebrated and worshiped non stop for going on half a century. And he deserves every bit of credit, he's the most beloved champion in sports history from any sport. Usyk's career so far is page ten news, about a three paragraph story next to the obits. No comparison in media exposure and coverage. Ali gets all the hype and buzz. Ask ten people on the street who Usyk is and 9 won't know.

Ok now we’re getting close to the issue.

Usyk’s lack of name recognition bothers you as it should. That is a function imo of the current state of the world and of the sport.

So if your point is the culture war politics in America is limiting the exposure American journalists are giving to Usyk because he is an Eastern European- ok I agree with you.

He hasn’t been celebrated as a lot of previous hwt champs have, American or not.

I think other than the cash cows since Ali- Leonard, ODH, Tyson and Floyd- and a few others - Manny, Tito, Holyfield, Lennox, Roy- this is the case.

Yeah they made a movie about ODH but they’ve made more about Tyson.

I still think it’s hard to make a resume case for Usyk over Ali.

I think if you split your issue into 2 separate issues (I see them that way), more people would agree and understand.

[Bennyleonard99]

Ok now we’re getting close to the issue.

Usyk’s lack of name recognition bothers you as it should. That is a function imo of the current state of the world and of the sport.

So if your point is the culture war politics in America is limiting the exposure American journalists are giving to Usyk because he is an Eastern European- ok I agree with you.

He hasn’t been celebrated as a lot of previous hwt champs have, American or not.

I think other than the cash cows since Ali- Leonard, ODH, Tyson and Floyd- and a few others - Manny, Tito, Holyfield, Lennox, Roy- this is the case.

Yeah they made a movie about ODH but they’ve made more about Tyson.

I still think it’s hard to make a resume case for Usyk over Ali.

I think if you split your issue into 2 separate issues (I see them that way), more people would agree and understand.

The western controlled boxing establishment (a truth revealed by Fury years ago) favors Americans Mexicans and Brits, they promote them more favorably then Eastern Euros - example: Klitschkos were just "the best of a weak era" blah blah. Usyk will not get favorable excessive worship coverage, he will get the bare minimum. Then he will retire and barely be mentioned. His reign will be labeled as a very good fighter who dominated "a weak era." But if Usyk was born in Bronx or Compton, everybody knows he would be celebrated as the goat. Equality in boxing does not exist. Like pro wrestling, some hwt champions are installed for business reasons. I have obtained inside info that BOTH Clay Liston fights were rigged. Usyk busted the door down and took the throne which was supposed to be for Fury, AJ or Wilder. Just like Lennox Lewis reign was not supposed to happen, Bowe, Holy, Tyson were supposed to rule the roost. The Klitschkos also flipped the script.

[The Big Dunn]

The western controlled boxing establishment (a truth revealed by Fury years ago) favors Americans Mexicans and Brits, they promote them more favorably then Eastern Euros - example: Klitschkos were just "the best of a weak era" blah blah. Usyk will not get favorable excessive worship coverage, he will get the bare minimum. Then he will retire and barely be mentioned. His reign will be labeled as a very good fighter who dominated "a weak era." But if Usyk was born in Bronx or Compton, everybody knows he would be celebrated as the goat. Equality in boxing does not exist. Like pro wrestling, some hwt champions are installed for business reasons. I have obtained inside info that BOTH Clay Liston fights were rigged. Usyk busted the door down and took the throne which was supposed to be for Fury, AJ or Wilder. Just like Lennox Lewis reign was not supposed to happen, Bowe, Holy, Tyson were supposed to rule the roost. The Klitschkos also flipped the script.

You are too much into conspiracies. Usyk isn’t getting the same pub as if he were from those countries. That I agree with.

[Bennyleonard99]

You are too much into conspiracies. Usyk isn’t getting the same pub as if he were from those countries. That I agree with.

There’s a video making the rounds on Twitter which shows Fury exposing the secret scheme. “He (Usyk) is a foreigner in a westernized world. The heavyweight champion should be from the United States or Great Britain. Nowhere else. That’s it.”

“The heavyweight champion of the world needs to be from the west. That’s it. That’s how it goes. Britain or America are not interested in some Ukrainian boxer.”

https://ringobserver.com/tyson-fury-...ern-europeans/