Why it's illegal to say Usyk is better than Ali

[The Big Dunn]

you are never a fan of Usyk,,, there's just not any great black african american boxers right now for you to root for. see how quick you turn on Usyk.. he can be good but he just cant be better than the passed great african american boxers.

Ok got it. I am not an Usyk fan. If that makes you feel better run with it.

There are plenty of black boxers to root for that are not HWT’s.

How quick I turn on him? Oh yeah I didn’t say he was better than Ali. I made no comment about him not being better than any other American hwt champ, black or white, or any other hwt champ period.

Well I also haven’t said Floyd is better than Ali. So am I no longer a Floyd fan. Thanks for letting me know.

[The Big Dunn]

if you feel Ali is better but TS feel that Usyk is better than Ali, then what's the issue??? you wouldnt have a problem if he was saying Usyk is better than GGG right?

The issue, as I stated in response to his post, was he isn’t making a resume/boxing based argument but a race and political one.

Learn how to read.

He wouldn’t be making a race/political based
argument comparing Usyk to GGG. If he did, I would question it as well.

I am engaging him in a resume/boxing based discussion. You are very ignorant about the sport so go away and let us debate it.

[The Big Dunn]

YES!! but none in the HW division that are good, which is the topic of discussion here.

No the topic of discussion is Ali v Usyk. It isn’t about the status of American hwt’s

[The Big Dunn]

you said not me! LOL!!! you just use him as a cover up... like i said, those racist white karen "im not racist, i have black friends".

If this makes you feel better, cool.

You cowardly avoided the part about Floyd.

You seem to enjoy playing dumb. I am not quite sure what you get out of it.

[dannnnn]

Better than Ali (i.e. would win head-to-head)? Yes. Greater? No.

Those are two different things and the impact Ali left in his own era is greater than pretty much any other in boxing history. There is really no need to have this conversation. Just appreciate Usyk for the ATG that he is without denigrating those who came before.

[The Big Dunn]

no, it's something you made up and turn it into a race issue just because TS feel Usyk is better than Ali. what;s wrong with that? if he feels that Usky is better than Ali, then who are you to tell him otherwise?

You’re wrong. Had you been reading other threads you’d know why he made this one. He has been getting killed for his opinion by dozens of other posters.

The TS asks why is it illegal. My response was because you’re not making a resume based argument. Something the TS acknowledges when he responds back.

He of course knows I am a Usyk fan because he has seen me in other threads. So we debate it rationally and cordially.

I didn’t tell him otherwise. I asked him to make a boxing case for that opinion. I told him I disagreed and why.

If he is fine with our discussion, go away.

[The Big Dunn]

when i see BS, i just like to call that person out for it. dont get mad at me, maybe think next time before getting caught him in your emotions.

Lmfao. You don’t see BS. You’re throwing it out just to argue with me. You aren’t in NSB enough to make a coherent, valid point.

No one is caught in emotions. I know who I am a fan of. If you say differently, it doesn’t matter to me.

[The Big Dunn]

wrong. you turned it into a race issue because TS feel that usky is better than ali and you cant stand it. like i said, a white boxer can be great to you, just not greater than the black american boxers of the past.

Funny but he and I had a resume based discussion going. So clearly you’re wrong.

Show me where I said this? this discussion is about usyk and ali. I like many others don’t think who is better than Ali.

The reason isn’t race it’s Ali’s résumé at heavyweight versus usyk’s.

You want to make it race because you know nothing about the resumes of either man because you’re not a boxing fan you’re a manny ball smoker. The only way you can participate in discussion is making it a race war .

go away dumbass no one wants you here

[Bennyleonard99]

Ok. The flaw with your argument is Ali was perfect at HWT longer than Usyk .

Ali was 31-0 at hwt with 11 title defenses compared to Usyk being 8-0 with 5 title defenses.

Usyk isn’t American so he likely wouldn’t be able to express himself freely like Ali did. That isn’t a negative for Ali.

You knew Ali’s values and principles because he answered questions directly. Usyk isn’t asked these because as we both said he isn’t on Ali’s level out of the ring.

The perfection argument only makes Ali’s case stronger. Usyk is 25-0. Ali was 31-0. Usyk hasn’t been perfect through as many fights as Ali was. They both have 11 world title defenses.

How has Usyk achieved the impossible when he hasn’t reached the perfection level of Ali, who went perfect longer?

You can't handpick segments of a career. Wladimir was perfect for about ten years. Lennox was perfect except for two catastrophic errors. Joe Louis was perfect for almost 20 defenses. Tyson Fury was perfect for most of his career. Ali was sensational and spectacular but the magic carpet ended when Eddie Futch figured him out twice. Nobody has figured out Usyk. I think the end of the career is most important and most memorable. We remembers Ali's genius but the lasting memory, hate to say it, are those losses to Holmes and Berbick. They should not but they do overshadow the genius. Usyk, it appears, is going to exit the sport as a winner and as champion in perfect health. We all wish Ali could have ended his career differently. But Ali was not great enough to finish his career the way he would have liked to.

[ELPacman]

I think they can both sit in the same space with your own opinions letting you believe whose better than who without having to convince the other, otherwise. You clearly believe Usyk is the GOAT. That's fine for your opinion. There are others that will say Ali. That's fine. I don't think you're going to convince anyone else otherwise. Someone from Ali's era will believe it's always Ali. Someone from your time who probably only watched Usyk will believe it's Usyk (I wasn't around for Ali either).

The UK guy, Johnny Nelson whose high on Usyk said Ali is still the GOAT overall because he was around for Ali and knows what it was back then. So he's able to compare Ali and Usyk unlike us.

Watch this video, Nelson breaks it down pretty good to understand it better. Again, he's lived the Ali era, so he can give his insights and of course he's living in the Usyk era,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwm5...kySportsBoxing