Comments Thread For: Sorry, Terence Crawford, but this is boxing?s Mt. Rushmore

[Cyborg Fangerloo]

NOBODY should ever be considered again for any kind of all time whatever - Rushmore or GOAT list or anything close to that with such pitiful fighting frequencies.
- Greb fought weekly, sometimes multiple times per week. Close to 300 fights.
- Duran fought 199, with a win streak of 41 and another of 13
- Archie Moore knocked out 131 dudes.

Crawford has had 5 fights in the last 5 years. Sitting back and picking the specific guys that make you the most money that you can also surely beat should NEVER be considered for any prize other than King Turd on Poop Mountain!
I am not saying he is not a great fighter - just saying that we are embarrassing ourselves here.

[Left Hook Louie]

I am way more interested in the top 4 cereals of all time......

1. Sugar Ray (Robinson)
2. Sugar Ray (Leonard)
3. Sugar Shane
4. Cornflake

[BritJimbo]

Chris Algieri said on his podcast that TC would be TBE which is fckng nuts. If he were Brit or Asian or Uke NO ONE, even US writers would say this,

[hugh grant]

As a one off wins it's great. As bud usually needs 5 years campaigning in a division to show he's no1 in it. Then bu d would need a few more wins after to show no fluke

[Willow The Wisp]

Jack Dempsey DOES NOT BELONG on a Mt. Rushmore period.
He refused to fight black fighters even as a contender and as a Champion he went out of his way to avoid top contender Harry Wills.
Even Nat Fleischer the founder of Ring magazine called out Dempsey and his promoter For his blatant avoidance of Wills.
Dempsey fought only ONE black contender on his rise, a middling b level fighter who he barely got by and recieved broken ribs in the process of recieving a draw.
After that he literally made it a mission to avoid facing them. Other white fighters such as Harry Grebb fought black fighters regularly as contenders and some as Champions.
Dempsey did neither.
You can’t be THE MAN if you refuse to take on all comers irrespective of race, background and nationality. And it’s well documented.
On top of that he did not defend it with regularity.
And as soon as he finally got in the ring with a well schooled technician (unlike The embarrassing, incompetent fodder he was fed) in Gene Tunney, he was exposed as a crude street brawler with some measure of skill but definitely not top tier.
For the writer to put him up here simply because he felt some race based variety was needed is not only insulting but frankly core irresponsible.

It's meaningless to even say this at you; but you're not accurate regarding Dempsey.

[Willow The Wisp]

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Mickey Walker, Napoles, Tommy Ryan and a couple more over Floyd???
Floyd is in the top 5 WW list. Stop it.

On a quick inventory, I'd liken this to a guy knocking on the ****pit door, asking the commercial airline pilot "let me fly her for a while, Captain; I saw Top Gun!".

[Carpe Diem]

None of those guys were better than Terence “TBE” Crawford.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

THAT's Entertainment folks. The Cannes film festival gives out awards, people go see Jurassic Park IVXX.

Meh

I didn’t even watch it but no doubt Tyson is a top two draw all time in boxing history.

[HisExcellency]

Lol deep down Crawford KNOWS he doesn’t belong on Mt. Rushmore or anywhere close. His resume simply isn’t good enough. That’s why he’s always chasing big fights (like Canelo/Pacquiao//Spence) and saying outlandish things like belonging on Mt. Rushmore and being better than Pacquiao because he’s INSECURE.

Truly great fighter’s like Pacquiao, Usyk, Beterbiev etc don’t need to constantly remind the world how great they are because they let their fists do the talking.

[brankobugarski]

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These were your words
“People talk about Roberto Duran, Mike Tyson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Julio Cesar Chavez Sr, Roy Jones Jr but I am 66 years old and I still remember all those guys losing badly to one or more fighters. I mean really bad, embarrassing losses. Once seen, it cannot be unseen.“

It appears your response here is going to accuse people of “twisting your words” when you are clearly implying EXACTLY what we are deducing.

Roy Jones was a name you used when talking about his “bad, embarrassing losses”. Roy Jones was knocked out cold by Danny Green. So would you call that a “bad, embarrassing loss” or were there other losses you were alluding to?

Tyson was KO’d by Danny Williams and Kevin McBride. Would you call those losses “bad, embarrassing losses”.

Those two names were very specific. since you did actually say that and I have quoted your own quote for you.

Also, no one is challenging your own list. We are all questioning the logic or rather, illogical reasoning about how you disqualify great fighters because they had losses.
It is truly asinine for you to denigrate Ali because he lost. Ali is hands down the greatest boxer of all time and arguably the greatest athlete ever. Anything less is sacrilege. What makes it even worse, you are suppose to champion Ali’s greatness because he was from your era.

So let me be clear, neither Tyson nor Roy are defined by their late career losses to fückïng journeymen.

I like sacrilege and I do not like subscribing to a consensus opinion no matter how unpopular my views are. Ali is definitely not the greatest fighter or the greatest athlete ever. There you go. I said it. Maybe the best promoter ever and the best known boxer by the casual public ever alongside Mike Tyson, but that is a different award. I loved Ali and was heartbroken when I watched him lose to Frazier in a "fight of the century" but if I am honest, his performances were up and down, brilliant and average to bad - over the span of his career. Most people on this forum are not old enough to have watched Ali fight live and be disappointed watch him lose to fighters that the "best fighter ever" should mop the floor with. Losing to ken Norton and Joe Frazier as well as Leon Spinks is not a resume for the "best athlete ever". Fans rely on articles from journalist fans and old video clips where he is revered as the boxing God, but he wasn't anything of the sort. He had feet of clay. He was popular. He was charismatic, but the best athlete ever - not even close.

I hated Floyd Mayweather and wanted him to be beaten by Chico, Pacman and Oscar and was upset every time when he that he wasn't. However, if I compare their careers and their achievements without my "like" or "dislike", Floyd wins hands down. I don't like it, but his resume wins.