Comments Thread For: Sorry, Terence Crawford, but this is boxing?s Mt. Rushmore

[DeeMoney]

Who said that simply avoiding a loss makes you great? I did not include Andre Ward or Joe Calzaghe (two great fighters) on the list. People talk about Roberto Duran, Mike Tyson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Julio Cesar Chavez Sr, Roy Jones Jr but I am 66 years old and I still remember all those guys losing badly to one or more fighters. I mean really bad, embarrassing losses. Once seen, it cannot be unseen. You can say they were past their prime or several weight divisions above their natural weight, but why did they all fight past their expiry date? Surely having some brains should count as a criterion in all time greatness.

you implied avoinding a loss makes you great by basing your opening paragraph on it, "In fact, virtually everybody in that article has had one or more losses other than Mayweather and Crawford"

If retiring before you get old is one of your criteria, then thats fine. Often times it comes down to just loving the sport and needing money, if making money is one of your criteria then thats fine too- and Maywether made a lot. Though I doubt most would agree with that.

[Oregonian]

A big weight-rise win over long-term champion Alvarez would do his legacy wonders; but boxing is an very old very global sport, and the art itself is unchanged over the past century - Plus.
So right now, I would think it's more reasonable to rank him among only the Welterweights!

1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Mickey Walker
3. Barbados Joe Walcott
4. Sugar Ray Leonard
5. Jose Napoles
6. Thomas Hearns
7. Henry Armstrong
8. Roberto Duran
9. Tommy Ryan
10.Barney Ross
11.Kid Gavilan
12.Emile Griffith
13.Jimmy McLarnin
14.Floyd Mayweather
15.Jack Britton
16.Manny Pacquiao
17.Ted "Kid" Lewis
18.Tony Canzoneri
19.Carmen Basilio
20.Oscar De La Hoya
21.Luis Rodriguez
22.Felix Trinidad
23.Charley Burley
24.Wilfred Benitez
25.Terence Crawford
26.Pernell Whitaker
27.Fritzie Zivic
28.Lou Brouillard
29.Shane Mosley
30.Aaron Dixie Kid Brown
31.Marty Servo
32.Donald Curry
33.Miguel Cotto
34.Curtis Cokes
35.Young Corbett III
36.Jackie Fields
37.Pipino Cuevas
38.Rube Fearns
39.Honey Melody
40.Marlon Starling
41.Mike Twin Sullivan
42.Carlos Palomino
43.Young Peter Jackson
44.Harry Lewis
45.Tony DeMarco
46.Cocoa Kid
47.Mysterious Billy Smith
48.Dave Shade
49.Joe Dundee
50.Billy Graham

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Mickey Walker, Napoles, Tommy Ryan and a couple more over Floyd???
Floyd is in the top 5 WW list. Stop it.

[brankobugarski]

you implied avoinding a loss makes you great by basing your opening paragraph on it, "In fact, virtually everybody in that article has had one or more losses other than Mayweather and Crawford"

If retiring before you get old is one of your criteria, then thats fine. Often times it comes down to just loving the sport and needing money, if making money is one of your criteria then thats fine too- and Maywether made a lot. Though I doubt most would agree with that.

Please feel free to twist my words if that suits your narrative ... and then add stuff that I never wrote or meant. Cheers.

[1Eriugenus]

Brankobugarski, what makes a truly great fighter is that they are scared of no-one and nothing and they always know they are the baddest man in the room. If you have that mentality you probably will take fights you shouldn’t take against much bigger, younger or fitter men. To me, SRR, Ali and Henry Armstrong should be shoe-ins and then it is a coin toss between Roberto and SRL. I would like to hope naming Jack Dempsey was a joke.

[Oregonian]

Who said that simply avoiding a loss makes you great? I did not include Andre Ward or Joe Calzaghe (two great fighters) on the list. People talk about Roberto Duran, Mike Tyson, Sugar Ray Leonard, Julio Cesar Chavez Sr, Roy Jones Jr but I am 66 years old and I still remember all those guys losing badly to one or more fighters. I mean really bad, embarrassing losses. Once seen, it cannot be unseen. You can say they were past their prime or several weight divisions above their natural weight, but why did they all fight past their expiry date? Surely having some brains should count as a criterion in all time greatness.

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At 66 years of age, surely you must have some insight on REFLECTION and CONTEXT. So, why do you suppose Joe Louis fought until he was over 40 years old?

More important, would you consider it a great win for a guy like Danny Green (who?) to KO Roy Jones?

If a loss to a bum like Green cannot be unseen, then we must anoint Green an ATG for vaporizing Roy like a fart in the wind.

Perhaps if Floyd was to unretire and come to fight Mario Barrios then proceed to get KO’d, we should remove him from ATG conversation and anoint Barios an ATG?

[brankobugarski]

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At 66 years of age, surely you must have some insight on REFLECTION and CONTEXT. So, why do you suppose Joe Louis fought until he was over 40 years old?

More important, would you consider it a great win for a guy like Danny Green (who?) to KO Roy Jones?

If a loss to a bum like Green cannot be unseen, then we must anoint Green an ATG for vaporizing Roy like a fart in the wind.

Perhaps if Floyd was to unretire and come to fight Mario Barrios then proceed to get KO’d, we should remove him from ATG conversation and anoint Barios an ATG?

Again, feel free to twist my words to suit your narrative. I never mentioned Joe Louis, Danny Green or Barrios. I also never mentioned 100 other great fighters. We all select the criteria that we like, that will support our views and then we argue backwards from our chosen position that we just believe blindly. I only nominated two fighers for Mt Rushmore which is Floyd and Bud and left a third spot open for Usyk if he retires undefeated (and does not fight on too long to be slayed by a young lion). I also said I don't know who else belongs there. My criteria are my own and are just as valid and just as subjective as your own criteria. There is no objectivity on this forum. It is all just opinions.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

which street? Its probably a generational thing - my 22 yr old son would actually say Inoue - he loves watching his fights, someone 30 year old likely says Tyson or Mayweather - but I feel some ight say Pac and 60 and above it'll be Ali

Tyson just did like 30m views for a exhibition and he’s nearly 60. Inoue isn’t in the same stratosphere even now.

[GMR Evans]

I'd replace the hugely over-rated Dempsey with Harry Greb.

[The D3vil]

I don't think you should or want to have "modern" fighters on the Mt. Rushmore just like you don't have modern presidents on there.

Mt. Rushmore is about being a pioneer.

To me, Ali is the cutoff, only because he's the most important athlete of the 20th Century.

For me, it's Jack Johnson, Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey, & Ali.

Those are the most important fighters in the history of the sport.

[Left Hook Louie]

The cereal paragraph ruined me.
Sorry.