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Does Usyk deserve the already 100% confirmed Fury trilogy fight?
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Originally posted by Willow The Wisp View Post
Fury, Wilder, Ortiz > Joshua.
You've been FACT checked. Lol
Ortiz was late to the pros, and like Zhang, Joyce, Moore, Walcott; he peaked at a later age. Top ranked, undefeated and peaking when Wilder got him.
Older age peak, short prime.
If you thought Andy was hard on Joshy; you'd be very shocked how easily Ortiz would've ragdolled him.
Ruiz is better than ortiz so I'm not sure how that makes any sense? He literally beat ortiz knocking him down 3 times in the process. Ortiz also avoided Joshua so people like you could forever come on forums and claim fantasy wins but in reality he was too scared which is a loss.shenmue likes this.
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I dont want to see a third fight.
I would rather see Fury-Joshua even if its 5-7 years past its due at this point, its still a good fight since theyve both declined.
Fury needs to get over his mental **** about not being the best int he world, Usyk proved hes better, get over it, maybe Fury would have won if he didnt gain massive weight inbetween fights and go on drinking and coke benders. but thats all hypothetical.
IDK what Fury is going to do with he retires, he is either going to have to become a coach and find meaning in that like Hatton did or he is going to enter a downward spiral.
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Originally posted by Rico_box View PostI wanna see Wilder vs Joshua.
Theres quite a few heavyweight match ups we could’ve gotten 6 - 7 yrs ago that never happened.
I think if they fought all those years back, Wilder wins by KO, mid-fight, now, I have no idea. If Wilder starts too cautously, Joshua could land on him and catch him cold, but if it turns into a fire-fight a few rounds in, I think Wilder will score the knockout blow. Wilder has more resistance. His knockout to Zhang was a bit of a freak thing and quite frankly poor refereeing and an illegal blow from behind, but Wilder lost his focus and was talking to ref instead of being alert. Nash out - His MajestyWillow The Wisp likes this.
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Originally posted by Nash out View Post
That fight still has legs. Can still be sold. Wilder was, fact, suffering from arm injuries in his two losses to Parker and Zhang, though, he's massively getting on now, and Joshua is taking too much stick for losing to Dubois, Dubois is a very good boxer who is in his prime. And whoever won gets a final crack at a belt in my view, so it sells and has merit.
I think if they fought all those years back, Wilder wins by KO, mid-fight, now, I have no idea. If Wilder starts too cautously, Joshua could land on him and catch him cold, but if it turns into a fire-fight a few rounds in, I think Wilder will score the knockout blow. Wilder has more resistance. His knockout to Zhang was a bit of a freak thing and quite frankly poor refereeing and an illegal blow from behind, but Wilder lost his focus and was talking to ref instead of being alert. Nash out - His MajestyNash out likes this.
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Originally posted by Nash out View Post
That fight still has legs. Can still be sold. Wilder was, fact, suffering from arm injuries in his two losses to Parker and Zhang, though, he's massively getting on now, and Joshua is taking too much stick for losing to Dubois, Dubois is a very good boxer who is in his prime. And whoever won gets a final crack at a belt in my view, so it sells and has merit.
I think if they fought all those years back, Wilder wins by KO, mid-fight, now, I have no idea. If Wilder starts too cautously, Joshua could land on him and catch him cold, but if it turns into a fire-fight a few rounds in, I think Wilder will score the knockout blow. Wilder has more resistance. His knockout to Zhang was a bit of a freak thing and quite frankly poor refereeing and an illegal blow from behind, but Wilder lost his focus and was talking to ref instead of being alert. Nash out - His MajestyNash out likes this.
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Originally posted by Nash out View Post
Fury's condition for the second fight was a joke and Sugar Hill is a garbage trainer. In condition Fury and better trainer, he could still win. He won the first fight for me. Thought he racked up a huge lead, and that was the general consensus online, then after the fight everyone started to rewrite history by giving Usyk 3-4 early rounds that he did not come close to winning.
The second fight, many had Fury 4-2 up after 6, and that probably was the case, but Fury took only 1 of the last 6 rounds and was poor, but, to me, look at him? His condition was woeful. In England I think they could fight another classic like the first, as let's be honest, the second fight was crap. Nash out - His Majesty
The 2nd fight was very close despite Fury's physical appearance. I gave Usyk the last 2 rounds, and he needed them, 115/113
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