Comments Thread For: Deontay Wilder: ?I lost my confidence... but it's back?

[kafkod]

Not true. At all.

Fury had been back in action for two fights, in great shape, and fought the best fight of his life when he fought the undefeated Wilder in Wilder-Fury 1.
Same number of tune-ups Ali had when facing Frazier in the 1971 classic, after being inactive for a similar amount of time.

Are you really comparing Tyson Fury vs Sefer Seferi and Francesco Pianeta to Ali vs Jerry Quarry and Oscar Bonavena?

Really?

[Willow The Wisp]

Are you really comparing Tyson Fury vs Sefer Seferi and Francesco Pianeta to Ali vs Jerry Quarry and Oscar Bonavena?

Really?

Nope. Why would you think that?

Trying to build some kind of case there?

[kafkod]

What and idiot Povetkin was. I strongly believed he would have beaten Wilder in Moscow.

Do you think maybe Wilder's team were tipped off that Povetkin had been using Meldonium before it went on the banned list, and that Meldonium is a substance that lingers in the system for a long time after you stop talking it?

[kafkod]

What and idiot Povetkin was. I strongly believed he would have beaten Wilder in Moscow.

I think Povetkin would have beaten Wilder anywhere, tbh. And I think he was telling the truth when he claimed he stopped taking Meldonium when it went on the banned list. I don't believe he and his team were dumb enough to carry on using it after it got banned.

But Meldonium stays in the system for months after you stop taking it, and it was only banned 3/4 months before Povetkin tested positive for it.

[kafkod]

Nope. Why would you think that?

Trying to build some kind of case there?

Because you said this, of course:

"Fury had been back in action for two fights, in great shape,and fought the best fight of his life when he fought the undefeated Wilder in Wilder-Fury 1. Same number of tune-ups Ali had when facing Frazier in the 1971 classic, after being inactive for a similar amount of time."

Seferi and Pianeta were Fury's tune-ups before Wilder 1. Did you not know that Quarry and Bonavena were Ali's tune-ups before Frazier 1?

[Willow The Wisp]

Because you said this, of course:

"Fury had been back in action for two fights, in great shape,and fought the best fight of his life when he fought the undefeated Wilder in Wilder-Fury 1. Same number of tune-ups Ali had when facing Frazier in the 1971 classic, after being inactive for a similar amount of time."

Seferi and Pianeta were Fury's tune-ups before Wilder 1. Did you not know that Quarry and Bonavena were Ali's tune-ups before Frazier 1?

What I said was, not surprisingly, unimpeachably accurate. His weight was great, his timing restored and his abilities demonstrated were 100% on par with those used to expose Wladimir Klitschko some time before (another quote with which you can take exception).
As to my awareness regarding Ali's tougher choices for comeback opponents, young feller; I was row 3 at the municipal auditorium in Atlanta for Ali - Quarry in 1970.

All kinds of people can be found on these message boards, my young piss & vinigar filled fellow fan; and occasionally, if you mess with the bull; you get the horns.

[kafkod]

Pov got popped at the start of the Russian state sponsored doping scandal.

Pov has more excuses for avoiding champions than any other contender in history. regardless of which version of the sport you point to. No other man with no major title ever got as many chances to fight for one while not actually getting in the ring for said fights. No fault of his doe, and he's an honest man.

Not sure what you're referring to there. Povetkin was in no rush to fight Wlad for the full title after winning the WBA regular, but he did fight him eventually. Unlike Wilder, whose manager notoriously described him as "Just a baby in there" when ruling out any chance of Deontay fighting Wlad for the undisputed crown after he became WBC champ.

And there was a lot fannying around between Wilder and Povetkin before a date for their mandatory fight that suited both of them was set. To me at the time, that looked like a case of six-of-one-half-a-dozen-of-the-other.

As for Pov being an honest man - clearly not, given what happened after the team investigating historic doping in Russian sports decided to take every test sample Pov had provided since the start of his pro career out of the freezers and re-test them using modern testing techniques.

Result .. poor old Pov's whole resume, post 2014, was totally discredited and expunged from the record books. So no, he wasn't an honest man, at least not in respect of his attitude towards PEDs. But that doesn't have any bearing on my opinion that, if his mandatory fight with Wilder had gone ahead, Povetkin would have won.

[kafkod]

What I said was, not surprisingly, unimpeachably accurate. His weight was great, his timing restored and his abilities demonstrated were 100% on par with those used to expose Wladimir Klitschko some time before (another quote with which you can take exception).
As to my awareness regarding Ali's tougher choices for comeback opponents, young feller; I was row 3 at the municipal auditorium in Atlanta for Ali - Quarry in 1970.

All kinds of people can be found on these message boards, my young piss & vinigar filled fellow fan; and occasionally, if you mess with the bull; you get the horns.

So you're telling me you were there, in person, at the first Ali/Quarry fight.

And you're also telling me that, to you, Tyson Fury looked every bit as good against Seferi Seferi as he did when he beat Wlad Klitschko.

I'd say this is proof of the sad fact that some people can watch boxing for a lifetime without developing any real understanding of what they are looking at.