Light-thinking fans who disrespect the IBHOF should find another sport!

[Brother Mouzone]

You will never convince me Tim Bradley , Arturo Gatti , Miguel Cotto ect ..are HOF fighters…Good fighters yes , but HOF ?, you say HOF to me I think SRR, Duran, Ali, SRL, ect …

[Dr Z]

I think the boxing hall of fame, is the most creditable in all of sports 'Next to that? Maybe I would imagine the NBA and NFL Hall of fame comes after boxing. Because those are the only real hall of fame's which? I think make an impact, and carry a great deal of prestige'.

The issue which I think people have with these sorts of awards 'Is that there seems to be no clear criteria in order to gain recognition from the boxing hall of fame. This could be a positive or negative, because? Great fighters and Champions are not all defined by the same standards, throughout history fighters all have varying strengths and feats of achievement. So from my understanding, this is potentially why there is no mandated specific criteria for a fighter to enter the boxing hall of fame'.

I do know that a boxer needs to be retired for 3 years, before being considered a serious candidate for the boxing hall of fame 'So for me personally, I am fully expecting a British fighter called David Haye to soon be inducted into the boxing hall of fame i.e. I see that the time frame, that fighters needed to be retired for has been altered? It was originally 5 years, but was recently altered to 3 years'.

For the most part I don't pay much attention to the boxing hall of fame 'I only have a increased interest when fighters, who I think should be inducted are being considered. The last time I really enjoyed the boxing hall of fame week 'Was when Rocky Balboa, and Mike Tyson were being inducted'.

I have recently seen Ricky Hatton and Carl Froch being inducted into the hall of fame, now? I honestly believe David Haye should be inducted.

Note: David Haye's feats achieved inside the boxing ring, are not conventional or normal feats even for most top level fighters. David Haye was the Unified and Lineal Ring Magazine Cruiserweight World Champion, and unlike Oleksandr Uysk? Haye blasted out all of the major Champions at Cruiserweight, Haye was really the Undisputed Cruiserweight Champion. The only reason why he was not awarded the IBF World title, was through a technicality. Jean Marc Mormeck had beaten the IBF World Champion O'Neill Bell in a rematch, in his fight prior to competing against David Haye'.

After conquering the Cruiserweight Divisions, David Haye then invaded the Heavyweight Divisions. On the 7th November 2009 'David Haye fought Nikola Valuev, in a fight where he was being outweighed by 7 stone. Haye weighed in at 218 pounds, vs Valuev 315 pounds. The total the weight differential in pounds between the two fighters was 98 pounds. The fight was billed as David vs Goliath. David Haye beat Nikola Valuev, and became only the second sentient being in the history of mankind to move up from the Cruiserweight Division to win a World Heavyweight title.

To conclude: So overall I think many people do respect the boxing hall of fame 'It is just that there are large sections of society, that think events from 5 to 10 years ago are ancient times. Not many people value history, and live in the moment. You can see this kind of culture in many sports, forms of entertainment and art. There are certain folk who genuinely believe that everything which is new, is better. And the past is obsolete, but in my opinion that is definitively not wise or the truth' etc.

The MLB is the most selective. The N F L selects mostly very good people.

The N B A is lib eral in its selections. Boxing is very lib eral.

No comment on the NHL, Tennis, or female hammer throwing.

[MalevolentBite]

Every HOF has those who are undeserving
Boxing's HOF is no different

Whos undeserving in MLB or NFL hall of fame ?

[MalevolentBite]

The MLB is the most selective. The N F L selects mostly very good people.

The N B A is lib eral in its selections. Boxing is very lib eral.

No comment on the NHL, Tennis, or female hammer throwing.

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[MalevolentBite]

You will never convince me Tim Bradley , Arturo Gatti , Miguel Cotto ect ..are HOF fighters…Good fighters yes , but HOF ?, you say HOF to me I think SRR, Duran, Ali, SRL, ect …

I agree with your comment. Statewise cotto got in because he was a four division champion. Now if boxing only had one belt per division. Would cotto be a four weight division champ ? I highly doubt it.

Too many divisions and belts hurt boxing and the hall of fame.

[MalevolentBite]

Michael Nunn belongs in the HOF, he was almost the P4P king at one point,

Vinny Paz, you can make an argument for, in the sense that it is called the "hall of fame", & he is one of the most famous fighters of the past 40 years, including having a major motion picture made about his life & also being a commentator & personality in the sport of boxing.

It's not called the "hall of great".

5 people I'd like to see go in are Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank Sr., Shawn Porter, Marlon Starling, & Meldrick Taylor.

I'd like to see boxing do a mea culpa & put Jimmy Young in the HOF because the sport literally stole a HOF career from him.

Shawn Porter? Wowwwwwwwwww. What's everyone's beef with Antonio Tarver? Why isnt Tarver in but Porter should get in ?

[MalevolentBite]

If I made a boxing hall of fame. I would make alot of people upset because half of these ppl post 1980s shouldn't be in. I dont care how popular you are. Hall of fame in America always meant the best. You didn't get an award at work for being popular. They started that sht in the 2000s when kids would come home crying because they didn't get a trophy for finishing 5th, 4th or even 3rd place. Its Gold, Silver and Bronze and thats it. You are still very good to win a Silver but not good enough for the Gold. The gold is the hall of fame. I dont mind olympic boxers going in. But rocky, Gatti or vinny ? Nahh man. Come on now. Lets see when its Broner and Wilders time, because base on this new boxing they are going to the Hall.

[Brother Mouzone]

I agree with your comment. Statewise cotto got in because he was a four division champion. Now if boxing only had one belt per division. Would cotto be a four weight division champ ? I highly doubt it.

Too many divisions and belts hurt boxing and the hall of fame.

I like Cotto and being Puerto Rican I always rooted for him, but my biggest knock on him and the HOF is like he lost every truly BIG fight he was in . How do you get in ?, good fighter yes, some good wins yes, but HOF ?

[TheProudLunatic]

Whos undeserving in MLB or NFL hall of fame ?

Too many
Phil Rizzuto MLB
Joe Namath NFL
Give one for each league
If you follow either, you'd know.

[DeeMoney]

Here's the thing, unless you literally just enshrine one person, there will always be someone in any given HOF who is less than worthy. Otherwise the HOF would just be Sugar Ray Robinson, can't enshrine anyone else, because then you are diminishing the hall and letting in someone who is bringing down what it means to be a HOFer.

So the key is to roughly find that demarcation line of worth and stick with it throughout. This is referring to the lowest level enshrinee, and usually isnt established until at least a decade or so into a HOF's existence (as you have such a high backlog in the early years). That being written, regardless of who this lowest level HOFer is, there will always be people who complain they don't belong- but once again you have to have them there otherwise we get to the SRR dilemma. Hopefully, then you can ensure those who are better than this lowest level get in, and those who are below do not.

Bringing up the age of the IBHOF as if that somehow invalidates it is a poor argument- yes there are other boxing HOFs, but this seems to be the most respected one, so who cares how old it is. All sports should have a HOF, boxings just insnt as old. Moreover, age doesn't preclude a HOF from having these issues. The baseball HOF is nearly a century old- so old that Ty Cobb, Honus Wagner, and Walter Johnson were all there in person when it was opened. Yet it has a great number of enshrinees who have been deemed questionable (look how Frankie Frisch got his buddies in). That being written, that HOF is still a great place to visit, and being inducted is a tremendous accomplishment. You could make a similar type argument regarding the basketball HOF, especially once it started inducting players based on international accomplishments (I mean I liked Vlade Divac, but based on ability he is not HOF worthy).

But I guess its like the old Albert Einstein parable of writing math equations on the board, people will judge you for your few mistakes as opposed to your many successes. There are many great fighters in the IBHOF, but instead of recognizing them we want to degrade the HOF as a whole due to the 1 or 2 at the low end.