What will become of the Heavyweight championship of the World?

**Toffee** · 05-21-2025, 08:10 AM

Sorry mate but I just don't buy it. Lineal used to mean something... because it was the way that fighters proved who was the best. The Lineal champion would take on their challenger to decide who was the best.

Boxers could still do that. They shouldn't need someone with billions to decide that they wanted to find out and were prepared to pay anything to make it happen.

But prior to His Excellency they avoided it. Fury claimed Lineal without fighting anyone worthwhile. Some of the titlists refused to unify. Assuming you don't disagree with this paragraph - what made the supposed Lineal champion more deserving than the titlists? They were all dodging their duty to the sport.

If we've got a supposed Lineal champion who won't fight anyone and a titlist who takes on all comers then Lineal isn't worth anything. In the same way that the fighter makes the belt what it is, the fighter makes Lineal with it is.

It's always the fighter. You don't need belts to define the best, nor Lineal.

**Dr Z** · 05-21-2025, 08:17 AM

Originally posted by Willow The Wisp

....If young fans continue to be mislead into thinking that the One Lineal World Championship title is anything less than the ONLY real title?

In all probability, something like this:

Heavyweight International Ratings
May 2028

Champion: Not Important

1. Moses Itauma, 23
World Boxing Council Champion
2. Vladyslav Sirenko, 33
Saudi General Entertainment Authority Champion
3. Lenier Pero, 35
World Boxing Association Champion
4. Agit Kabayel, 35
Universal Boxing Federation Champion
5. Richard Torrez Jr, 28
World Boxing Federation Champion
6. Bakhodir Jalolov, 33
Ring Magazine World Champion
7. Fabio Wardley, 33
International Boxing Association Champion
8. Willy Kyakonye, 33
International Boxing Federation Champion
9. Joseph Parker, 36
Professional Boxing Association Champion
10. Justis Huni, 29
International Boxing Council Champion
11. Lawrence Okolie, 35
World Boxing Organization Champion
12. Daniel Dubois, 30
World Boxing Union Champion
13. Efe Ajagba, 34
Global Boxing League Champion
14. Alexis Barriere, 32
Professional Boxing Association Champion
15. Seun Salami, 31
World Boxing Foundation Champion

But what about the WBA regualr champion?

**Willow The Wisp** · 05-21-2025, 10:27 AM

Good thoughts posted. Important to acknowledge that each one of the 15 "Organizations" used in the illustration of potential Armageddon is real. Although some unknown writer had recently coined the phrase "The Four belt era"; know that that the other 11 are just one hefty cheque in the mail away from "general acceptance". As a friend of the late New Jersey boxing commissioner, WBA VP, IBF founder and convicted felon Bobby Lee; I can almost assure you of that.
Beware of placing the recording of history in the hands of these organizations.

**The Big Dunn** · 05-21-2025, 10:31 AM

If Usyk unifies and then retires as I expect it will be an absolute cluster fuck.

**Willow The Wisp** · 05-21-2025, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by The Big Dunn

If Usyk unifies and then retires as I expect it will be an absolute cluster ***********.

Exactly right.

**The Big Dunn** · 05-21-2025, 10:42 AM

Originally posted by Willow The Wisp

Exactly right.

Yeah. The only saving grace is maybe Turkish cuts through it and has a 8 man tourney where the top 2 ranked fight for each belt and the winners keep fighting until there is one unified champ again.

**Willow The Wisp** · 05-21-2025, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by Toffee

Sorry mate but I just don't buy it. Lineal used to mean something... because it was the way that fighters proved who was the best. The Lineal champion would take on their challenger to decide who was the best.

Boxers could still do that. They shouldn't need someone with billions to decide that they wanted to find out and were prepared to pay anything to make it happen.

But prior to His Excellency they avoided it. Fury claimed Lineal without fighting anyone worthwhile. Some of the titlists refused to unify. Assuming you don't disagree with this paragraph - what made the supposed Lineal champion more deserving than the titlists? They were all dodging their duty to the sport.

If we've got a supposed Lineal champion who won't fight anyone and a titlist who takes on all comers then Lineal isn't worth anything. In the same way that the fighter makes the belt what it is, the fighter makes Lineal with it is.

It's always the fighter. You don't need belts to define the best, nor Lineal.

There is a contradiction in there, when you state that "It's always the fighter", but you'd place a contrived belt that some non-fighter can strip and bestow without a fight!

The man who beat the man process is engineered to prevent that, so that it's ALWAYS the fighter.

**Willow The Wisp** · 05-21-2025, 11:33 AM

Originally posted by The Big Dunn

Yeah. The only saving grace is maybe Turkish cuts through it and has a 8 man tourney where the top 2 ranked fight for each belt and the winners keep fighting until there is one unified champ again.

The kind of money that he has access to does tend to grease the wheels. We'll hope for the best, because; as you can see by responses in this thread alone; the Alphabet organizations and the "writers" (bloggers, really) who they influence (bribe?); have made giant strides this decade in obscuring real history in their pursuit of profit (ill-gotten), and confusing casual fans. That's tragic for Boxing, because it is that rich history that makes Boxing very different from, and more important than, the innumerable other combat sports such as slap fighting.

The Alphabet orgs are selling crack, and the casual fans are unwittingly becoming addicted.

**BustedKnuckles** · 05-21-2025, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by The Big Dunn

Yeah. The only saving grace is maybe Turkish cuts through it and has a 8 man tourney where the top 2 ranked fight for each belt and the winners keep fighting until there is one unified champ again.

And then buys the other orgs and somehow orchestrates a group vote where they ban new belts and new orgs from ever being created again, while also eliminating all but 2 or 3 current orgs.

What will become of the Heavyweight championship of the World?