Comments Thread For: 'I'm back': Manny Pacquiao confirms July 19 date with Mario Barrios

[vitruvian]

I was a huge Manny fan during his blitz through the weight classes but this will not end pretty for him. I would say who knows but after watching him in his most recent exhibition he did not look anything Ike I remember him in his fighting days and going up against the underrated Mario Barrios will be quite the challenge. I'll be rooting for him though.

[Boxing2695]

I don't rate Barrios highly I think he's the weakest champ at 147 right now and he held onto his belt by the skin of his teeth in his last fight but he's younger he's fresher he's been active and I can see him beating Pacquiao convincingly. Don't think he'll stop him but who knows how much manny has deteriorated over the past 4 years outside the ring and obviously aswell so wouldn't be surprised if he did but would be sad to see. It's hard when legends of the sport can't leave it alone because even tho they try venture into other things after they call it a day they miss the limelight of the sport

[robbyheartbaby]

Bitter much? let it go bro, hate produces estrogen and yours is dripping through my screen right now.

Haha amazing

[Corelone]

Poor Manny. Theyre going to cash him into bad health and beyond, just so some high rollers can say they saw Manny. This is no oldie but goodie tour. It verges on elder abuse.

[Corelone]

This is lose lose for Manny. If he loses, or as Eddy said, when he loses, who knows the damage. If he wins, who knows the damage and they will make him take more.

[Phase III]

Manny is only fighting because he’s broke. He made bad investments and his manager/advisor Sean Gibbons has much to do with the situation he finds himself in. Manny has blown the majority of the multi-millions he made in the ring and needs to fight to keep his head above water. Barrios was picked as the opponent because he poses the least threat among welterweights with a belt. The WBC has ranked Manny at #5 which is remarkable given the fact Manny hasn’t fought in 4 years. Go figure!

[MalevolentBite]

Haven't done a Lightweight list for a while but it would be something like this (no order)

Carlos Ortiz
Benny Leonard
Roberto Duran
Pernell Whitaker
Joe Gans
Henry Armstrong
Tony Canzoneri
Freddie Welsh
Ike Williams
Barney Ross

That's off the top of my head.

Then after that would be names like (no order)

Joe Brown
Packey McFarland
Beau Jack
Sammy Angott
Battling Nelson

So that's 15. Erm who else?

Lou Ambers
Ken Buchanan
Ismael Laguna

I'm sure there's quite a few more. Lightweight is historically one of the most stacked divisions in history.




Ok that's fantastic but you aren't honestly trying to argue he has a strong resume at Lightweight, are you?

How many ranked fighters did he beat at Lightweight? Like two? I think it's two, it might be three but it's no more than 3.

He only beat one fighter in the Top 5 and that's Philip Holiday who he didn't even beat in convincing fashion and look pretty crap in that fight really. Which again was the only Top 5 ranked fighter he fought at Lightweight.

His Lightweight resume is garbage. I don't think that's even debatable. The idea of him being "one of the greatest Lightweights of all time" is laughable.

I knew you would just dig up fighters you never actually seen fight.

Packey McFarland - never won a title. Disqualified.

Beau Jack - Lost to FREDDIE ARCHER twice. Who never won a title. Shane went undefeated. Base on your notes. Shane's run was better then Jack. Jack just has a longer but not better overall run at lightweight IMO.

just by taking those two dudes off. Shane would already be in the 15. I didn't even cut too deep yet.

Battling Nelson - lost his three two championship fights. The first one was for a vacant belt. Get out of here with that. Shane went undefeated. Nelson fought a Can of the week prior to him getting a title shot. You know none of these fighters he fought prior to his title. Stop It. His win over Joe is his legacy but I know damn well, you didn't really watch that fight. They had no footwork or technique or ring IQ. They were just slugging and clinching. Mosley wouldn't beat them? Crazy.




The crazy thing about putting Shane on the list is. We both know for a fact Molsey at lightweight will give your top ten a run for their money. Duran aint knocking out Shane. Duran can beat him but its going to the cards. Same for Pernell.

All those old timers. I am going to give them grace and not judge people we never seen fight live this is wild. You never seen most of these people fight ever live to stay Shane can't Crack Your list.

Other then that. Your top ten is fine. my argument was top 15. But definitely top 20.

[MalevolentBite]

Haven't done a Lightweight list for a while but it would be something like this (no order)

Carlos Ortiz
Benny Leonard
Roberto Duran
Pernell Whitaker
Joe Gans
Henry Armstrong
Tony Canzoneri
Freddie Welsh
Ike Williams
Barney Ross

That's off the top of my head.

Then after that would be names like (no order)

Joe Brown
Packey McFarland
Beau Jack
Sammy Angott
Battling Nelson

So that's 15. Erm who else?

Lou Ambers
Ken Buchanan
Ismael Laguna

I'm sure there's quite a few more. Lightweight is historically one of the most stacked divisions in history.




Ok that's fantastic but you aren't honestly trying to argue he has a strong resume at Lightweight, are you?

How many ranked fighters did he beat at Lightweight? Like two? I think it's two, it might be three but it's no more than 3.

He only beat one fighter in the Top 5 and that's Philip Holiday who he didn't even beat in convincing fashion and look pretty crap in that fight really. Which again was the only Top 5 ranked fighter he fought at Lightweight.

His Lightweight resume is garbage. I don't think that's even debatable. The idea of him being "one of the greatest Lightweights of all time" is laughable.

Shane was one of the most feared fighters in 1996-1998. He couldn't secure big fights. It was politics.

I definitely remember after one Mosley fight (maybe Molina?) Where Shane said: "Stevie Johnston and Orzubek Nazarov, I'm right here!"

Mosley would go on Steve Kim's local radio show all the time calling gussie nazorov out

This is the one thing I can't stand about boxing. There's a golden era and modern era. And its apples to oranges. People would just go on the internet and find fighters they never seen before with 88 wins from the 1800s and say oh man they the best. Put everything in context. Those old boxers fought way more bums and part timers then today. Rules were way more lax in those days.

But I will play your game. in the modern era in the last 40 -50 years. Name 20 boxers at lightweight better then Mosley.

We can take this to a forum for us to go back and forth.

[champion4ever]

A lot of boxing fans believe we are going to see the old Pac back just like many of us believe that we would see the old Mike Tyson back.

Unfortunately, heroes don’t stay forever young. They get old. It’s a very painful realization. It’s sad but they come out of retirement only when they are broke and need money.

[Century Tuna]

Watch closely, folks! Mario Barrios is about to perfect the art of acting. Pacquiao’s probably handing him a fat paycheck to take a dive and help him fake another "historic" win. Just like the good old days of his glorified scripted fights.