The skill of Deontay Wilder

[billeau2]

Wilders resume is not on par with other fighters. Sorry it's not. Guys like Whyte Ruiz jr Parker Joyce Zhang Dubois are far ahead of wilder. Obviously Joshua Fury and usyk are light years ahead but even the second tier guys are above wilder. That's what happens when you fight areola, spilzka, Washington, duhapas etc...

Prove it without relying upon relative rankings. Here's a hint you can't because they all fought from the same pool. And as much as you come here and try to push your crap I'm going to be right here making the point it's just that c r a p.

It's like me building a fortress on a sand dune that's what your proof is like. The real proof is how Wilder did with a common opponent and his assent to fighting a challenging three series fight with Fury.

[Bennyleonard99]

You are nothing more than a small-minded man with an agenda.

I think Wilder was awful. His defining moments were ducking AJ for years, fake negotiations with AJ, pretending he wanted to fight Usyk after the fact, ducking his mandatory for two years with WBC corruption Whyte, ducking Povetkin, and his performance vs a 41 year old from China lol

[daggum]

Prove it without relying upon relative rankings. Here's a hint you can't because they all fought from the same pool. And as much as you come here and try to push your crap I'm going to be right here making the point it's just that c r a p.

It's like me building a fortress on a sand dune that's what your proof is like. The real proof is how Wilder did with a common opponent and his assent to fighting a challenging three series fight with Fury.

Wilder was on the easy side of the bracket. I already told you this. None of the guys he beat panned out and rose to the top. Wilder himself when be went to the tough side didn't pann out or rise to the top. Oh yeah and it was wilders choice to stay on the eaay side for so long. You keep acting like both sides of the bracket were equally matched except 1 side trounced the other over and over yet here you are claiming it was all the same. Nope.

Those pbc guys like wilder and ortiz couldn't hack it at the top. They couldn't even get a good win on the other side of the bracket. I hsve no idea what you are talking about. If Washington or spilzka had beaten Parker Dubois Ruiz etc...then you would have a case. They didn't. They didn't come close. The other side cannibalized itself because there were so many tough fights among them. When guys like wilder and ortiz were integrated they couldn't hack it. Sorry.

[Bennyleonard99]

His real skill was being able to fight no hopers for 10 years without his fans noticing. Brilliant.

That was the handiwork of Haymon and Finkel, protecting their pretender.

[Bennyleonard99]

Wilder was on the easy side of the bracket. I already told you this. None of the guys he beat panned out and rose to the top. Wilder himself when be went to the tough side didn't pann out or rise to the top. Oh yeah and it was wilders choice to stay on the eaay side for so long. You keep acting like both sides of the bracket were equally matched except 1 side trounced the other over and over yet here you are claiming it was all the same. Nope.

Those pbc guys like wilder and ortiz couldn't hack it at the top. They couldn't even get a good win on the other side of the bracket. I hsve no idea what you are talking about. If Washington or spilzka had beaten Parker Dubois Ruiz etc...then you would have a case. They didn't. They didn't come close. The other side cannibalized itself because there were so many tough fights among them. When guys like wilder and ortiz were integrated they couldn't hack it. Sorry.

Wilder was kept and protected in house in the PBC. Whenever he was pulled out of protective custody of PBC Haymon and Finkel found ways to escape - Povetkin, Whyte, AJ. The only reason they did fight Fury was they miscalculated that Fatso was addicted to drugs and too far out of shape to be able to handle Wilder. But they miscalculated badly, Fury dominated Bum Wilder. Haymon rarely made mistakes and that was a big mistake. His other mistakes were matching Arreola vs Adamek and being forced into the Williams vs Martinez rematch. If Wilder was half of what they pretended him to be he would have fought Povetkin, Whyte, AJ and Usyk.

[daggum]

That was the handiwork of Haymon and Finkel, protecting their pretender.

They did a pretty good job. Stiverne the weakest belt holder ever, bunch of pbc bums, 40 year old ortiz calculated risk but made sure he had help to get him through it, then they gambled with Fury who was looking terrible which was true, but they forgot their own guy was a fraud. That was their biggest mistake. They bought into their own hype or in other words they got high sniffing their own farts. So he was exposed for all eternity and then tried to redeem himself vs legit guys like Parker and Zhang but lost...hard-core. We saw his true level which was pbc belt champion.

[Bennyleonard99]

Wilder got the belt because Haymon and Finkel bought it from King/Stiverne. Wilder's first defense was against a King fighter Molina. At the press conference for Wilder vs Molina, King actually said Stiverne transferred the title to Wilder! Play on words to reveal it was a business deal. King and Molina getting the first shot payday was obviously part of the deal. Of course Molina came to dive but he and King got the payday. Another term of the deal was Stiverne later getting a rematch even though he did not deserve it. But King managed to rig the WBC to keep Stiverne as mandatory even though he was inactive for over a year. Stiverne dove in both fights for Wilder. Very obvious as there was no value in having a 38 yr old Haitian as WBC Heavyweight champ. King and Stiverne may have even got a cut of Wilder's future defenses like Braddock did from Joe Louis.

[Bennyleonard99]

They did a pretty good job. Stiverne the weakest belt holder ever, bunch of pbc bums, 40 year old ortiz calculated risk but made sure he had help to get him through it, then they gambled with Fury who was looking terrible which was true, but they forgot their own guy was a fraud. That was their biggest mistake. They bought into their own hype or in other words they got high sniffing their own farts. So he was exposed for all eternity and then tried to redeem himself vs legit guys like Parker and Zhang but lost...hard-core. We saw his true level which was pbc belt champion.

Well they thought Fury was shot and on drugs and too fat to be able to beat Wilder. The risk was worth it, with Fury's titles Wilder could make $100m a fight and keep fighting PBC patsies. There is no doubt WIlder/Haymon/Finkel were going to duck AJ forever and freeze him out, calling him a bum, etc. Wilder was just so bad he couldn't even do anything with a fast fading declining Fatso Fury.

[Bennyleonard99]

What many do not realize is AJ would have slaughtered Wilder easily at any time, ten years ago and today, same result, easy brutal one sided KO win for AJ. So bad that it would be career and leverage ending for Wilder, like Spinks vs. Tyson in 1988. Spinks wanted to comeback after that KO 1 loss to Mike but he had no leverage or value and never fought again. Some losses just totally destroy a fighter's value and leverage.

[PBR Streetgang]

I agree with the OP. Wilder was not a skilled boxer, he wasn't a skilled fighter either. He could uncork some incredibly devastating punches however.

Similar to a baseball pitcher who can hurl 100mph but has no other pitches to set up the fastball and doesn't really know how to control the one pitch he can throw. Nearly unstoppable if he manages to find the strike zone but that's not a given.

Is his resume weak? Absolutely. Look at his knockouts, the eyeballs tell you he hits concussive. He often was outboxed but it usually only took one or two clean shots to land before he got someone out. AJ beat Breazele pillar to post but couldn't get him out until the 7th. Wilder nearly decapitated him in a round.

Don't believe me, read the accounts of the fighters he faced and what they thought of his power. Nobody is claiming he was a good fighter or he was an accomplished champion or he had an impressive resume. He did punch incredibly hard and that's backed up by the fighters he faced in the ring.