Inoue NOT Afraid To Get Hit Like American Fighters That Run. Haney Should Take A Page Of Inoue.

[The D3vil]

You lost me as soon as you started on about P4P. Any of those guys you named have better credentials and resumes than, say, Spence Jr, with his 6 title defenses in one division. And you're trying to tell me that welterweight is stacked, with Mario Barrios as a title holder? Brian Norman is supposed to be way better than Narváez, McDonnell, or even Kohei Kono, Taguchi, Rodriguez? Based on what?

P4P is a biased popularity contest. The only lighter fighters that have ever made it onto P4P lists have gone on to be called ATGs, because you have to be one of the greatest fighters of all time to even get recognized. Have you ever even heard of, say, Knockout CP Freshmart? He held his title for 8 years and 16 title defenses. But because Westerners don't care about the lighter divisions, you won't find anyone who even cares that they exist, even though he was boxing's longest reigning titlist until he finally got dethroned by Oscar Collazo (who looks to be a heck of a fighter, but again, you won't ever find him on a P4P list).

The facts are that Inoue has taken every opportunity that's been offered him, including before he was a star, and Boots has turned down at least half a dozen fights against better fighters than the garbage on his resume. 62% win rate. It doesn't matter what metric you look at, Inoue and his opponents will be better in every respect than Ennis and his opponents. Ennis hasn't tested himself AT ALL until the last couple years. If you can't admit that, you've got some serious bias clouding your judgement. And again, he's not getting ducked when he's got guys from lower weight divisions talking about fighting him, and guys like Karen coming right back to force a rematch, and he's on record having turned down fights with Crawford and Ortiz.

The reason lighter fighters aren't on P4P lists is because they're inherently inferior divisions.

There's less men in the world who are 112lbs than there are 147lbs.

It's a smaller pool of talent, so unless you're a HOF like Chocolatito, Inoue, or Ricardo Lopez, you generally don't belong on P4P lists.

The most great fighters in boxing history have generally been between 135-160lbs.

So of course, P4P lists are going to be full of guys in that range.

It's the best range.

Guys who are "bums" to you at 147 have more great fighters to compete against than guys who are the size of middle school girls.

[Smash]

The most great fighters in boxing history have generally been between 135-160lbs.
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they are pretty small guys too in the past when guys fought at their actual weight

now 135 guys can be 150 plus etc

that puts them in direct competition with the most popular sport in the world, football

[crimsonfalcon07]

The reason lighter fighters aren't on P4P lists is because they're inherently inferior divisions.

There's less men in the world who are 112lbs than there are 147lbs.

It's a smaller pool of talent, so unless you're a HOF like Chocolatito, Inoue, or Ricardo Lopez, you generally don't belong on P4P lists.

The most great fighters in boxing history have generally been between 135-160lbs.

So of course, P4P lists are going to be full of guys in that range.

It's the best range.

Guys who are "bums" to you at 147 have more great fighters to compete against than guys who are the size of middle school girls.

This is just more bias. The average weight of an adult male worldwide is 137 lbs. If you don't understand math, that means that at least half of the world's population is below that weight. Americans average 199 lbs, but account for a smaller relative population size than, say, Asians, who account for the majority of the world's population, thus skewing the average up.

While the lighter divisions do not, admittedly, boast as large of a pool of competition currently, that's trending to even out, as Asia is becoming more of a boxing market while America is losing interest.

Historically, boxing was run by the West, and financially dominated by the West, with the obvious result that it catered more to Western tastes and boxers, which meant that there were more fighters who were able to be financially successful in the heavier divisions. Even now, fighters will make more in the heavier divisions. You're trying to have it both ways, saying that Inoue is a cash cow, despite the fact that Ennis and his opponents make hugely more than fighters in the lighter divisions. In point of fact, this means that Ennis has been able financially to avoid big fights and still build his career, while lighter fighters have always been more limited in the opportunities they get; turning down fights in the way Ennis has would have meant the end of their careers.

A dollar spends the same way for a lighter fighter as a heavier one. So the vastly lower pay for lighter fighters means that it's far harder for less skilled fighters to make it in the lighter divisions than at welterweight. Fewer fighters, but higher skill levels. Which is why you see, along with the higher stamina for having less weight to move around, skill for skill, more technically skilled fighters at lighter classes than heavily ones. Footwork, angles, head movement, and punch volume all trend down as you go up in weight.

The simple fact, yet again, is that Inoue has said yes to his opportunities and fought the best available competition for his whole career, and Boots hasn't. Inoue's opponents have had winning records, and he's never fought a guy with more losses than wins, unlike Ennis. And P4P lists and the HOF have historically disrespected lighter fighters, not because they weren't great fighters, but because they're popularity contests determined by Westerners.

And for the record, I do not consider anyone with the balls to get in the ring a bum. I have never disrespected any of my opponents, or anyone else who risks their life in the ring in any combat sport, by calling them a bum. That sort of inane blather is the province of those who only spectate and never actually glove up themselves.

[The D3vil]

This is just more bias. The average weight of an adult male worldwide is 137 lbs. If you don't understand math, that means that at least half of the world's population is below that weight. Americans average 199 lbs, but account for a smaller relative population size than, say, Asians, who account for the majority of the world's population, thus skewing the average up.

While the lighter divisions do not, admittedly, boast as large of a pool of competition currently, that's trending to even out, as Asia is becoming more of a boxing market while America is losing interest.

Historically, boxing was run by the West, and financially dominated by the West, with the obvious result that it catered more to Western tastes and boxers, which meant that there were more fighters who were able to be financially successful in the heavier divisions. Even now, fighters will make more in the heavier divisions. You're trying to have it both ways, saying that Inoue is a cash cow, despite the fact that Ennis and his opponents make hugely more than fighters in the lighter divisions. In point of fact, this means that Ennis has been able financially to avoid big fights and still build his career, while lighter fighters have always been more limited in the opportunities they get; turning down fights in the way Ennis has would have meant the end of their careers.

A dollar spends the same way for a lighter fighter as a heavier one. So the vastly lower pay for lighter fighters means that it's far harder for less skilled fighters to make it in the lighter divisions than at welterweight. Fewer fighters, but higher skill levels. Which is why you see, along with the higher stamina for having less weight to move around, skill for skill, more technically skilled fighters at lighter classes than heavily ones. Footwork, angles, head movement, and punch volume all trend down as you go up in weight.

The simple fact, yet again, is that Inoue has said yes to his opportunities and fought the best available competition for his whole career, and Boots hasn't. Inoue's opponents have had winning records, and he's never fought a guy with more losses than wins, unlike Ennis. And P4P lists and the HOF have historically disrespected lighter fighters, not because they weren't great fighters, but because they're popularity contests determined by Westerners.

And for the record, I do not consider anyone with the balls to get in the ring a bum. I have never disrespected any of my opponents, or anyone else who risks their life in the ring in any combat sport, by calling them a bum. That sort of inane blather is the province of those who only spectate and never actually glove up themselves.

The average adult male is 137lbs because Africans & Asians are malnourished

137lbs is not the size of an average HEALTHY man who' is fully nourished, like you know, a professional athlete.

That's why whenever people from 3rd world countries move to the West, they immediately put on a bunch of weight.

Professional athletes on average a bigger than the average person because they generally lift more weights & eat more.

And you admitted that the smaller weight classes don't have as many people as the peak weight classes between 135-160.

Those weight classes are more competitive, hence most of your p4P kings coming from that range.

[JOITATS]

The average adult male is 137lbs because Africans & Asians are malnourished

137lbs is not the size of an average HEALTHY man who' is fully nourished, like you know, a professional athlete.

That's why whenever people from 3rd world countries move to the West, they immediately put on a bunch of weight.

Professional athletes on average a bigger than the average person because they generally lift more weights & eat more.

And you admitted that the smaller weight classes don't have as many people as the peak weight classes between 135-160.

Those weight classes are more competitive, hence most of your p4P kings coming from that range.

That's completely FALSE.

In many countries, people are genetically smaller in hgt, and have completely different diets.
Especially in Asia and Latin America.
The avg hgt falls below 170cm in those continents. That also includes China and India. The world's biggest population.

When you also take in account, boxing is a young mans sport. The avg wgt being around 130-40 is completely normal.
And boxers generally cut around 15-20 lbs, which would put them at bantam and feather.


The reason why you think there is so much focus on welterwgts and above
---- Is because you're looking at U.S. based Media sources. LOL


The world doesn't revolve around America.

[JOITATS]

Agreed but that's made more difficult by attention seeking, disruptive imbeciles like TheProudLunatic which is why I like to call them out on it.

Yes prime example.

[The D3vil]

That's completely FALSE.

In many countries, people are genetically smaller in hgt, and have completely different diets.
Especially in Asia and Latin America.
The avg hgt falls below 170cm in those continents. That also includes China and India. The world's biggest population.

When you also take in account, boxing is a young mans sport. The avg wgt being around 130-40 is completely normal.
And boxers generally cut around 15-20 lbs, which would put them at bantam and feather.


The reason why you think there is so much focus on welterwgts and above
---- Is because you're looking at U.S. based Media sources. LOL


The world doesn't revolve around America.

That is not false.

Then why do immigrants who move to America, most of their children are bigger than them in height & weight?

Asians SPECIFICALLY end up taller than their parents when they move to America.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0308160710.htm

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/n...r/15961445007/

[Dakuwaqa]

Haney has a glass chin. It’s easier to be brave when you have faith in your whiskers

[Smash]

Asians SPECIFICALLY end up taller than their parents when they move to America.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0308160710.htm

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/n...r/15961445007/

"In 1965, the poverty rate in Asia, based on the USD 3.20 poverty line, was 73.6%. By 2014, this rate had dropped to less than 10%. Using the lower poverty line of USD 1.90, the poverty rate fell from 48.5% to 2.6% during the same period"

[JOITATS]

That is not false.

Then why do immigrants who move to America, most of their children are bigger than them in height & weight?

Asians SPECIFICALLY end up taller than their parents when they move to America.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0308160710.htm

https://www.jacksonville.com/story/n...r/15961445007/

So most people from Asia and Latin America are malnutritioned migrants. LOL
Or better yet, top boxers under 130lbs are all malnutritioned.


People from around the world have different diets.


75% of Americans are overweight. And Asians have higher longetivity than Americans.