Comments Thread For: Clock?s ticking: Jaron Ennis won?t ?stick around? to unify remaining titles

[JakeTheBoxer]

Ennis shouldn't be ******

Benn in Uk is his biggest money fight.

[Elheath]

Nah all jokes aside I just don't want Boots to make a horrible mistake and sign another multi fight deal with DA-nobody. I don't want to see a Boots vs Bakrat machatsack in Saudi on Sunday morning. Nor do I want him having a proper mash up against Paddy Donovan in London. I want to see him fight the Americans. If reports are true that PBC is planning a summer fight between Marii Barrios vs Errol Spence then that can mean one thing: A major PPV on Amazon Prime between Errol vs Boots. If Errol wins then he's right back on top. If Boots wins then look out Tank because the new PPV KING is here to stay!

In all seriousness I severely doubt a 35 yrs old Spence can even make 147 anymore and if he somehow does make it he will lose even to Barrios due to being so weight drained and that will officially kill every last bit of whatever value Spence has left.

[steeve steel]

How can you lowball a guy that made 150k in his last fight? You guys are idiots

Because you don't know Hearn... moron!

[steeve steel]

Lowball? Hearn offered Norman $1.7 million to fight Ennis.

Norman turned that down to fight Cuevas for $150,000 instead.

If I remember correctly, Norman's team asked for more (2.2) to fight in Ennis' back yard (Philly), but was willing to fight for 1.7 somewhere else. Which brings us to this... Fighters have managers for a reason, TO NEGOCIATE. And now that Barrios' and Normand's team know Hearn is desperate, they will ask for more. BECAUSE IT'S PRIZE FIGHTING AND IT'S CALLED THAT FOR A GOOD REASON: THEY ALL WANT THE BIGGEST PRIZE!

[Elheath]

Ennis shouldn't be ******

Benn in Uk is his biggest money fight.

It certainly is, but does Boots have the willingness to go out of his backyard for good money? He kinda seems like the type of American boxer who wants to make that money without travelling to the cash locations.

[Dee @ PYP Boxing]

If I remember correctly, Norman's team asked for more (2.2) to fight in Ennis' back yard (Philly), but was willing to fight for 1.7 somewhere else. Which brings us to this... Fighters have managers for a reason, TO NEGOCIATE. And now that Barrios' and Normand's team know Hearn is desperate, they will ask for more. BECAUSE IT'S PRIZE FIGHTING AND IT'S CALLED THAT FOR A GOOD REASON: THEY ALL WANT THE BIGGEST PRIZE!

The thing about negotiating is that you must have something to offer in return, that and leverage. Norman has a belt, that's what gets him over a million, far more than he's earned in his career. To expect more than that, and then walk away is crazy bc it's not like he can make it up in a couple of fights, he literally made less than 10% of that in his very next fight....on an undercard.

As for fighting somewhere else, that's foolish on their part as well bc where do they think the money is coming from to pay him the 1.7? It's going to be from the sellout crowd in Philly. This fight doesn't come close to selling out anywhere else in the country.

Too many boxers don't understand the market and overestimate their worth. You can't just pull numbers out of your ass.

[steeve steel]

The thing about negotiating is that you must have something to offer in return, that and leverage. Norman has a belt, that's what gets him over a million, far more than he's earned in his career. To expect more than that, and then walk away is crazy bc it's not like he can make it up in a couple of fights, he literally made less than 10% of that in his very next fight....on an undercard.

As for fighting somewhere else, that's foolish on their part as well bc where do they think the money is coming from to pay him the 1.7? It's going to be from the sellout crowd in Philly. This fight doesn't come close to selling out anywhere else in the country.

Too many boxers don't understand the market and overestimate their worth. You can't just pull numbers out of your ass.

I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying. But firstly, boxers are not in full command of their destiny, and managers are there to get them the most money. Sometimes they overplay their hand.. Sometimes, their thinking further ahead. Exemple: if Normand's team bypasses the Boots offer, then boots moves up. That frees the other belts... then a world of possibilities opens up at 147. They could fight Barrios, then have a few more fights, maybe.. unify all. How much money will that make? Who knows. This is just speculation, obviously. But just saying..

[MulaKO]

The thing about negotiating is that you must have something to offer in return, that and leverage. Norman has a belt, that's what gets him over a million, far more than he's earned in his career. To expect more than that, and then walk away is crazy bc it's not like he can make it up in a couple of fights, he literally made less than 10% of that in his very next fight....on an undercard.

As for fighting somewhere else, that's foolish on their part as well bc where do they think the money is coming from to pay him the 1.7? It's going to be from the sellout crowd in Philly. This fight doesn't come close to selling out anywhere else in the country.

Too many boxers don't understand the market and overestimate their worth. You can't just pull numbers out of your ass.

I agree with most of your post but it comes down to how badly does Boots wanna unify
If that isn’t the case then might as well move up right away imo

[crimsonfalcon07]

I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying. But firstly, boxers are not in full command of their destiny, and managers are there to get them the most money. Sometimes they overplay their hand.. Sometimes, their thinking further ahead. Exemple: if Normand's team bypasses the Boots offer, then boots moves up. That frees the other belts... then a world of possibilities opens up at 147. They could fight Barrios, then have a few more fights, maybe.. unify all. How much money will that make? Who knows. This is just speculation, obviously. But just saying..

Agree with what you've been saying here. People like to quote the completely sourceless "sporty salaries" as evidence for Norman only making 150K vs Cuevas. But that site actually said he made a 250K guaranteed and estimated his total earnings at 650K. So if we're going to trust them, that's the figure, not 150K. Then he's apparently got a million dollar fight with Jin Sasaki. So we're pretty close to 1.7 million for much easier fights, AND the unification is still there, and likely even bigger. From where I sit, his bet is paying off just fine. As you said, I can see a world in which he avoids Boots and ends up undisputed at 147, while Ennis ends up fighting a host of Euros at 147/154.

[steeve steel]

Agree with what you've been saying here. People like to quote the completely sourceless "sporty salaries" as evidence for Norman only making 150K vs Cuevas. But that site actually said he made a 250K guaranteed and estimated his total earnings at 650K. So if we're going to trust them, that's the figure, not 150K. Then he's apparently got a million dollar fight with Jin Sasaki. So we're pretty close to 1.7 million for much easier fights, AND the unification is still there, and likely even bigger. From where I sit, his bet is paying off just fine. As you said, I can see a world in which he avoids Boots and ends up undisputed at 147, while Ennis ends up fighting a host of Euros at 147/154.

Exactly! Take another situation involving the same fighter. How many people complained about Ennis not taking the Ortiz fight (and I was one of them, because I wanted to see that fight too!) But he didn't because his manager said he shouldn't, that he had a plan and that he was going to make more money for less risk. And so that's what he did. And I'm saying this and yet I can't stand Hearn! lol But hey, his opinion is clearly worth more than mine.