TBud: Manny Stopped Using Steroids and Stopped Getting Knockouts

[IronDanHamza]

bum bum tested positive is on his own, unless you can show me where ariza talks about knowing how the cheat the system? see below as an example!

HEREDIA: My father is a chemistry professor. I love chemistry, and I was an athlete. My role was an obsession. For example, I learned everything about testosterone: that there is a type of testosterone with a high half-life and another that works very quickly. I learned that you can rub it in, take it orally, inject it. It became a kick: I was allowed to work with the best of the best, and I made them even better.

Rios tested positive whilst being coached for his S&C by Alex Ariza you fckin MORON.



You are too thick these kind of discussions. You don't understand basic words and I'm pretty sure English is not your first or even second language.

[IronDanHamza]

the bolded... YOU dont know that!!! especially with memo saying he knows how the cheat the system!! smh!!!!

HEREDIA: Yes, but I read anything I could find about medicine, spoke with other athletes, and soon people were saying: Angel knows how it’s done. He knows how to pass the tests. The first athletes began to ask me for advice. That’s how it started, and at some point the trainer Trevor Graham asked me if I could help him. I explained to him how epo works, and I was in business.

Erm YES I do know that.

Just because Memo and Ariza has a history with PEDs IS NOT evidence that someone who worked with him used PEDs.

I cannot make that easier to understand.

You do not know what the words "demonstrable" or "evidence" mean. You simply can't.

[IceTrayDaGang]

What claim have I made?????? You just said I made a claim. What is it?




.....Yeah...And????

What does any of this have to do with Marquez?

go back and read your post! you said marquez didnt link with memo so that he can cheat and that's a fact!!!

YOU have no way to prove this, especially after what i posted about memo , see below --

HEREDIA: Yes, but I read anything I could find about medicine, spoke with other athletes, and soon people were saying: Angel knows how it’s done. He knows how to pass the tests. The first athletes began to ask me for advice. That’s how it started, and at some point the trainer Trevor Graham asked me if I could help him. I explained to him how epo works, and I was in business.

[IceTrayDaGang]

Working with someone linked to PED use is not evidence for someone's PED use. That's not an opinion, that is a fact.

Again I cannot explain it any easier to grasp, to the point a child could understand.

the bolded. you made claims stating that it's a fact!!

but in reality, you have no way to prove this!!

for example: manny linking up with ariza, is not an evidence for someone using peds... because ariza never admitted to knowing how to cheat the system...

whereas for memo, how can we take his words that he's not juicing up his clients anymore, see below ---

HEREDIA: Yes, but I read anything I could find about medicine, spoke with other athletes, and soon people were saying: Angel knows how it’s done. He knows how to pass the tests. The first athletes began to ask me for advice. That’s how it started, and at some point the trainer Trevor Graham asked me if I could help him. I explained to him how epo works, and I was in business.

[IceTrayDaGang]

Rios tested positive whilst being coached for his S&C by Alex Ariza you fckin MORON.



You are too thick these kind of discussions. You don't understand basic words and I'm pretty sure English is not your first or even second language.

so rios stays with ariza 24/7??? LOL!!

so rios cant take it on his own?

Ariza: “My understanding is that it’s some kind of a dietary supplement that’s sold over the counter.

over the counter = means anyone can go and buy it, including you!

and here's a reminder for you --

HEREDIA: Yes, but I read anything I could find about medicine, spoke with other athletes, and soon people were saying: Angel knows how it’s done. He knows how to pass the tests. The first athletes began to ask me for advice. That’s how it started, and at some point the trainer Trevor Graham asked me if I could help him. I explained to him how epo works, and I was in business.

[IceTrayDaGang]

Erm YES I do know that.

Just because Memo and Ariza has a history with PEDs IS NOT evidence that someone who worked with him used PEDs.

I cannot make that easier to understand.

You do not know what the words "demonstrable" or "evidence" mean. You simply can't.

the bolded -- once again YOU cant prove that!! especially when the ped pusher makes it clear that he knows how to cheat the system WHICH is WHY athletes go to him (his words, not mine).

HEREDIA: Yes, but I read anything I could find about medicine, spoke with other athletes, and soon people were saying: Angel knows how it’s done. He knows how to pass the tests. The first athletes began to ask me for advice. That’s how it started, and at some point the trainer Trevor Graham asked me if I could help him. I explained to him how epo works, and I was in business.

[IronDanHamza]

go back and read your post! you said marquez didnt link with memo so that he can cheat and that's a fact!!!

I have never once said that.

You need to learn the English language better because you have almost no grasp of it.

YOU have no way to prove this, especially after what i posted about memo , see below --

HEREDIA: Yes, but I read anything I could find about medicine, spoke with other athletes, and soon people were saying: Angel knows how it’s done. He knows how to pass the tests. The first athletes began to ask me for advice. That’s how it started, and at some point the trainer Trevor Graham asked me if I could help him. I explained to him how epo works, and I was in business.

You don't understand that this is not evidence for anyone using PEDs' outside of the people who have been caught using PEDs under him.

[IronDanHamza]

the bolded. you made claims stating that it's a fact!!

That is a fact. The issue here is you don't understand what demonstable facts are because English isn't your first langauge.

but in reality, you have no way to prove this!!

No way to prove what?

for example: manny linking up with ariza, is not an evidence for someone using peds...

Correct, it is not.

Neither is someone linkings up with Memo.

because ariza never admitted to knowing how to cheat the system...

whereas for memo, how can we take his words that he's not juicing up his clients anymore, see below ---

HEREDIA: Yes, but I read anything I could find about medicine, spoke with other athletes, and soon people were saying: Angel knows how it’s done. He knows how to pass the tests. The first athletes began to ask me for advice. That’s how it started, and at some point the trainer Trevor Graham asked me if I could help him. I explained to him how epo works, and I was in business.

Because knowing how to cheat a system isn't evidence that his athletes are doing that.

[IceTrayDaGang]

I have never once said that.

You need to learn the English language better because you have almost no grasp of it.



You don't understand that this is not evidence for anyone using PEDs' outside of the people who have been caught using PEDs under him.

ok, so never said that then? ok, well, i believe marquez linked up with memo so that he can cheat. my proof, see below --

now, can you show me proof that marquez didnt link up with memo so he can cheat? YOU CANT.

HEREDIA: Yes, but I read anything I could find about medicine, spoke with other athletes, and soon people were saying: Angel knows how it’s done. He knows how to pass the tests. The first athletes began to ask me for advice. That’s how it started, and at some point the trainer Trevor Graham asked me if I could help him. I explained to him how epo works, and I was in business.

[TheProudLunatic]

Well again in 2009 i don't know about God, but Manny Pacquiao agreed to blood test with a 14 day cutoff, urine up to fight time, then they could do blood and urine post fight.

That was fair but Floyd moved the goalposts to 0 cutoff

Your God needed a cutoff !!!!

Would you need a cutoff before fighting the biggest fight if your career ????

99.999999.of every other human being was begging to take Pac's place.