TBud: Manny Stopped Using Steroids and Stopped Getting Knockouts

[IceTrayDaGang]

memo talks about recovery phases --

HEREDIA: ... it was about the recovery phases. In 2000 she competed in one event after another, and she needed to relax. I gave her epo, growth hormone, adrenaline injections, insulin. Insulin helps after training, together with protein drinks: insulin transports protein and minerals more quickly through the cell membrane.

[Roadblock]

i never said santa is not real and that's a fact! where as for you, you are making claims that you cant really prove!!!

BUT, what i can prove is that memo admitted to knowing how to cheat the system --

HEREDIA: Yes, but I read anything I could find about medicine, spoke with other athletes, and soon people were saying: Angel knows how it’s done. He knows how to pass the tests. The first athletes began to ask me for advice. That’s how it started, and at some point the trainer Trevor Graham asked me if I could help him. I explained to him how epo works, and I was in business.

Dosent mean anything, if you want to apply trial by association then Manny and Ariza and Justin Fortune are all ped cheats. It doesnt work that way and the same goes for JMM and anybody else.

[IronDanHamza]

i never said santa is not real and that's a fact! where as for you, you are making claims that you cant really prove!!!

What claim have I made?

BUT, what i can prove is that memo admitted to knowing how to cheat the system --

HEREDIA: Yes, but I read anything I could find about medicine, spoke with other athletes, and soon people were saying: Angel knows how it’s done. He knows how to pass the tests. The first athletes began to ask me for advice. That’s how it started, and at some point the trainer Trevor Graham asked me if I could help him. I explained to him how epo works, and I was in business.

Ok.

And?

[IronDanHamza]

memo talks about recovery phases --

HEREDIA: ... it was about the recovery phases. In 2000 she competed in one event after another, and she needed to relax. I gave her epo, growth hormone, adrenaline injections, insulin. Insulin helps after training, together with protein drinks: insulin transports protein and minerals more quickly through the cell membrane.

Ok.

And???????????????????????

[IronDanHamza]

The bolded. YOU cant prove that!!!

I can't prove what? That Memo's history is not evidence for Marquez using PED's?

That's a fact. Just because Memo has a history with PEDs is not evidence of someone working with him using PEDs. You're back to sqaure one.

BUT, I can prove that memeo admitted to knowing how to cheat the system.. all you brought up was ariza's relation with manny! LOL.

HEREDIA: More like a coach. Together we found out what was good for which body and what the decomposition times were. I designed schedules for ****tails and regimens that depended on the money the athletes offered me. Street drugs for little money, designer drugs for tens of thousands. Usually I sent the drugs by mail, but sometimes the athletes came to me.

Ok. So what?

I can prove Ariza's athlete's popped for PEDs.

So what?

It's not evidence for their other athletes using PEDs.

[IceTrayDaGang]

What claim have I made?



Ok.

And?

and??? LOL!!!

HEREDIA: Yes, but I read anything I could find about medicine, spoke with other athletes, and soon people were saying: Angel knows how it’s done. He knows how to pass the tests. The first athletes began to ask me for advice. That’s how it started, and at some point the trainer Trevor Graham asked me if I could help him. I explained to him how epo works, and I was in business.

[IceTrayDaGang]

[QUOTE=IronDanHamza;n32447651]

The bolded. YOU cant prove that!!! ]/QUOTE]

I can't prove what? That Memo's history is not evidence for Marquez using PED's?

That's a fact. Just because Memo has a history with PEDs is not evidence of someone working with him using PEDs. You're back to sqaure one.



Ok. So what?

I can prove Ariza's athlete's popped for PEDs.

So what?

It's not evidence for their other athletes using PEDs.

bum bum tested positive is on his own, unless you can show me where ariza talks about knowing how the cheat the system? see below as an example!

HEREDIA: My father is a chemistry professor. I love chemistry, and I was an athlete. My role was an obsession. For example, I learned everything about testosterone: that there is a type of testosterone with a high half-life and another that works very quickly. I learned that you can rub it in, take it orally, inject it. It became a kick: I was allowed to work with the best of the best, and I made them even better.

[IceTrayDaGang]

Dosent mean anything, if you want to apply trial by association then Manny and Ariza and Justin Fortune are all ped cheats. It doesnt work that way and the same goes for JMM and anybody else.

HEREDIA: My father is a chemistry professor. I love chemistry, and I was an athlete. My role was an obsession. For example, I learned everything about testosterone: that there is a type of testosterone with a high half-life and another that works very quickly. I learned that you can rub it in, take it orally, inject it. It became a kick: I was allowed to work with the best of the best, and I made them even better.

[IronDanHamza]

...

What claim have I made?????? You just said I made a claim. What is it?

and??? LOL!!!

HEREDIA: Yes, but I read anything I could find about medicine, spoke with other athletes, and soon people were saying: Angel knows how it’s done. He knows how to pass the tests. The first athletes began to ask me for advice. That’s how it started, and at some point the trainer Trevor Graham asked me if I could help him. I explained to him how epo works, and I was in business.

.....Yeah...And????

What does any of this have to do with Marquez?

[IceTrayDaGang]

I can't prove what? That Memo's history is not evidence for Marquez using PED's?

That's a fact. Just because Memo has a history with PEDs is not evidence of someone working with him using PEDs. You're back to sqaure one.



Ok. So what?

I can prove Ariza's athlete's popped for PEDs.

So what?

It's not evidence for their other athletes using PEDs.

the bolded... YOU dont know that!!! especially with memo saying he knows how the cheat the system!! smh!!!!

HEREDIA: Yes, but I read anything I could find about medicine, spoke with other athletes, and soon people were saying: Angel knows how it’s done. He knows how to pass the tests. The first athletes began to ask me for advice. That’s how it started, and at some point the trainer Trevor Graham asked me if I could help him. I explained to him how epo works, and I was in business.