Floyd Rewatching Marquez-Pacquiao IV

[IceTrayDaGang]

Timmy 3x
Erik 3x
JMM 4x
Marco 2x (5 years apart)

No Cotto rematch
Def no HORN rematch

Reasons ????

pac whooped on cotto. why would there need to be a rematch? floyd/cotto were closer and should have warrant a rematch.

[djtmal]

pac whooped on cotto. why would there need to be a rematch? floyd/cotto were closer and should have warrant a rematch.

Exactly.

2lbs wasn't going to make a difference in this cotto thing

[HisExcellency]

Another idiot that knows nothing, as I said haters are so dumb. He didn't make the weight with Forbes a LW who nearly beat him, then he had to lose more weight for Manny and came in lighter than Manny after IV Fluids, its common knowledge duffass ODH was a drained rag, he gained 2lbs you idiot lol and says himself he was dead man walking that he knew in the ring walk he was fkd.

Lol...initially he came in half a pound over the limit against Forbes but officially made weight later. Anyhow, NONE of this changes the fact that he came in 2lbs under the Welterweight limit against Pacquiao and deliberately CHOSE to enter the ring at 147lbs in order to be LIGHTER on his feet to counteract Pacquiao's blistering speed which makes perfect sense.

Deal with it you f!cking fool!

[djtmal]

Another idiot that knows nothing, as I said haters are so dumb. He didn't make the weight with Forbes a LW who nearly beat him, then he had to lose more weight for Manny and came in lighter than Manny after IV Fluids, its common knowledge duffass ODH was a drained rag, he gained 2lbs you idiot lol and says himself he was dead man walking that he knew in the ring walk he was fkd.

Oscar is the bigger guy in every sense of the word.

At first Oscar gave Manny all the credit.



Then later i guess he realized that a fighter who was a lightweight just one fight prior beat the brakes off him and he needed a good excuse.

[HisExcellency]

Name the Top 10 ranked opponents he'd stopped.

And yes you do, any any puncher in history, they all stopped ranked opponents multiple times. It's not difficult to stop an unranked opponent hence why that doesn't make you a puncher.

WHO exactly said that you only had to have stopped ranked opponents to be considered a puncher? Show me the evidence! Otherwise, I'll chalk it up as yet more BS you invented

"He dropped or stopped many Top 10 ranked contenders" That's a lie.

Name them.

Having a high KO% doesn't make you a puncher. It matters who those KO's are agasint and in Thurman's case he has zero vs ranked opponents.

When did I say he dropped or stopped MANY top 10 ranked contenders? What I ACTUALLY said was that he "dropped or stopped 25/31 opponents he's ever shared the ring with (including many top 20/top 10 contenders, mandatory challengers and other champions - including ranked opposition)". Therefore, I said that figure includes ranked fighter's NOT that he dropped/stopped MANY top 10 ranked contenders. Learn to read dummy!

Because you have nothing

Lol no...you're just too dumb to grasp the basics. Literally EVERYBODY else on the planet considers Thurman a puncher (besides you) and the fact that he's either dropped or stopped 25/31 opponents he's ever shared the ring with (with almost ALL of the others having only been stopped in their final fight and also going the distance with a number of TOP Welterweights) is testament to this.

Last few years? He was there for 7 years dumbass

That LITERALLY makes it his natural weight class at that current time of his career.

He literally fought Forbes at 150lbs just 6 months prior simpleton!

[HisExcellency]

Right, so NOT convicted. So don't say he was convicted, because that's false.

Lol he only avoided conviction because he snitched and turned federal witness!

I don't think you know what "open and shut case" means. It is the opposite of that.

None of that is evidence or proves Marquez used PEDs.

Lol nope it's YOU that doesn't understand what the term means. An 'open and shut' case refers to something that's easy to determine because the facts are clear. FACT 1) Marquez hires a known PED peddler to a LARGE client base. FACT 2) Marquez undergoes a dramatic muscular transformation aged 39yo which many in the boxing community said wasn't possible without using PEDs. FACT 3) Marquez drops Pacquiao hard TWICE in the 4th fight (including a devastating KO) despite being unable to do so in their prior fights.

It doesn't get any clearer than that (unless of course you're the 1 person on the planet who DOESN'T consider Thurman a puncher!)

That's their opinion and that's fine. They are entitled to be su****ious.

That's however all it is, speculation. It doesn't prove anything and there is no demonstrable evidence that he used PEDs

The fact that MANY in the boxing community called this prior to the 4th fight and Marquez then went on to stop Pacquiao proves they knew EXACTLY what they were talking about!

They are directly comparable.

Both and S&C coaches and both have a history with PEDs, that's a fact.

Ariza and Memo are friends, and Ariza has worked with and under Memo in his career. So to pick and chose when this matters to you is laughable.

Ariza has links to PEDs, it's just as simple as that. It's one or the other, you have to pick one either both are drug cheats or both aren't for that reason.

Methylhexaneamine is banned substance, thus a PED on the banned list by WADA. So your spin isn't going to work. Ariza's athlete's have popped for PEDs, that's a fact.

They're NOT the same thing at all. Firstly, Ariza had already STOPPED working with Pacquiao when his new client was popped. Secondly, as far as I'm aware, this is the only time a client of his has tested positive for a banned substance and there have been no further charges brought against him or admissions on his part. Thirdly, according to Arum, Rios used Methylhexaneamine as a diuretic in order to lose weight (see article below). In comparison, Memo has already ADMITTED supplying a LARGE number of athletes with PEDs, steroids & HGH. Therefore, unlike Ariza, this was not an isolated incident plus the substances he was providing were far more DANGEROUS to the opposition fighter.

https://www.rappler.com/sports/boxin...ada-drug-test/

How could you possibly know that?

That is the literal equivalent to saying "I'm pretty sure Marquez would have done his due diligence on Memo and would not hire him if he wasn't sure that he was reformed and no longer involved in the PED game as he claims"

You can't just make up argument We have no clue if Mayweather brought Ariza in for PED help or not. For all we know that's the exact reason he did. That's not an argument.

The long and short of it here is, there is no evidence that either Marquez, or Pacquaio, used PEDs.

Working with someone linked to PEDs, is not evidence they did and nothing more than opinion and speculation. And, if you deem one a drug cheat on that basis then you have to do the same with every athlete that has worked with someone linked to PEDs. Simple as that.

Lol obviously Marquez hired Memo in order to gain an unfair advantage (which worked) and nobody has been as outspoken about mandatory drug testing as Mayweather. As for the second part, I've already answered that in my previous response.

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Lol he only avoided conviction because he snitched and turned federal witness!



Lol nope it's YOU that doesn't understand what the term means. An 'open and shut' case refers to something that's easy to determine because the facts are clear. FACT 1) Marquez hires a known PED peddler to a LARGE client base. FACT 2) Marquez undergoes a dramatic muscular transformation aged 39yo which many in the boxing community said wasn't possible without using PEDs. FACT 3) Marquez drops Pacquiao hard TWICE in the 4th fight (including a devastating KO) despite being unable to do so in their prior fights.

It doesn't get any clearer than that (unless of course you're the 1 person on the planet who DOESN'T consider Thurman a puncher!)



The fact that MANY in the boxing community called this prior to the 4th fight and Marquez then went on to stop Pacquiao proves they knew EXACTLY what they were talking about!



They're NOT the same thing at all. Firstly, Ariza had already STOPPED working with Pacquiao when his new client was popped. Secondly, as far as I'm aware, this is the only time a client of his has tested positive for a banned substance and there have been no further charges brought against him or admissions on his part. Thirdly, according to Arum, Rios used Methylhexaneamine as a diuretic in order to lose weight (see article below). In comparison, Memo has already ADMITTED supplying a LARGE number of athletes with PEDs, steroids & HGH. Therefore, unlike Ariza, this was not an isolated incident plus the substances he was providing were far more DANGEROUS to the opposition fighter.

https://www.rappler.com/sports/boxin...ada-drug-test/



Lol obviously Marquez hired Memo in order to gain an unfair advantage (which worked) and nobody has been as outspoken about mandatory drug testing as Mayweather. As for the second part, I've already answered that in my previous response.

Word on the street is Floyd would cycle off the peds before he announced his next opponent

[SouthpawRight]

so much meltdown over Floyd coming in 2 pounds lighter than manny, 10-2’ing manny anyways, fighting the better version of their common opponents, and facing Alvarez instead of the great antogi margarito

manny wasn’t ever on Floyd’s level

He came in bigger 2 pounds heavier and still won only 2 rounds anyways the 4th and 6th

manny did not have the skill set to deal with a sniper right counterpuncher who has fast feet

[djtmal]

manny did not have the skill set to deal with a sniper right counterpuncher who has fast feet

Yeah all that superior running and hugging by Mayweather must have confused Manny terribly

[SouthpawRight]

Yeah all that superior running and hugging by Mayweather must have confused Manny terribly

yeah manny struggled with making adjustments

Floyd is a genius in the ring