Floyd Rewatching Marquez-Pacquiao IV

[djtmal]

Pac also passed on fighting Cotto w/o a clause

....and what pray tell would the big difference be

[IronDanHamza]

Lol complete and utter NONSENSE on both parts as usual.

Firstly, you DON'T have to have only knocked out ranked opposition to be considered a puncher. Secondly, if you read through our previous discussion, Thurman HAS either dropped or knocked out a handful of the ranked opponents he's faced with the others only having been stopped in the FINAL fight of their careers and previously going the distance with MANY top Welterweights at the time.

Name the Top 10 ranked opponents he'd stopped.

And yes you do, any any puncher in history, they all stopped ranked opponents multiple times. It's not difficult to stop an unranked opponent hence why that doesn't make you a puncher.

Therefore, the fact that he has a 74% career KO ratio, has either dropped or stopped 25/31 opponents he's ever shared the ring with (including many top 20/top 10 contenders, mandatory challengers and other champions - including ranked opposition) plus ALL media/fans/pundits/former fighters consider him a puncher (hence the 'One Time' moniker) makes him 1000000% a puncher (despite what one random NOBODY on the internet who refuses to admit ever being wrong thinks!)

"He dropped or stopped many Top 10 ranked contenders" That's a lie.

Name them.

Having a high KO% doesn't make you a puncher. It matters who those KO's are agasint and in Thurman's case he has zero vs ranked opponents.

Case closed and I'm NOT debating this point again.

Because you have nothing

As for DLH, firstly we're only talking about dropping ONE weight class (as opposed to the almost 2 weight divisions Mayweather forced Marquez to climb in order to fight him). Secondly, DLH only campaigned at Junior Middleweight for the last few years of his career because like all ageing fighters, it was simply more CONVENIENT for him but that still doesn't make it his 'natural weight class. If so, how come he had NO issues making the Welterweight limit and actually came in 2lbs LIGHTER on the scales (this makes your point about Forbes totally irrelevant)? Finally, the fight had NO rehydration clause yet DLH only weighed 147lbs on fight night which PROVES that he was able to shuttle between the 2 weight classes with no issues at all (this makes perfect sense since he's fought twice as many fights at Welterweight as opposed to Junior Middleweight).

GTFO buddy!

Last few years? He was there for 7 years dumbass

That LITERALLY makes it his natural weight class at that current time of his career.

[IronDanHamza]

MORE nonsense...the only reason Memo wasn't convicted is because he turned federal witness and ADMITTED to supplying a vast number of athletes with EPO, steroids & HGH.

Right, so NOT convicted. So don't say he was convicted, because that's false.

Therefore, the fact that he's a known PED supplier to a large number of clients and Marquez suddenly developed KO power out of seemingly nowhere is an open and shut case.

I don't think you know what "open and shut case" means. It is the opposite of that.

None of that is evidence or proves Marquez used PEDs.

In fact, if you read the article below which was written PRIOR to Pacquiao-Marquez 4, many in the boxing community (including former trainers/S&C coaches etc) were questioning Marquez's sudden muscular transformation and ability to lift huge weights at the age of 39yo and saying it simply WASN'T possible without the assistance of PEDs. Are you going to claim they don't know what they're talking about? In fact, the journalist went on to correctly PREDICT that any stoppage victory would be tainted and hugely dubious which is exactly what happened lmao!

https://sports.yahoo.com/boxing--jua...200532499.html

That's their opinion and that's fine. They are entitled to be su****ious.

That's however all it is, speculation. It doesn't prove anything and there is no demonstrable evidence that he used PEDs.

As for Ariza, there have certainly been rumours about him due to Pacquiao's meteoric rise but NO charges or former athletes speaking out against him let alone admissions on his part. Therefore, the two AREN'T comparable at all.

They are directly comparable.

Both and S&C coaches and both have a history with PEDs, that's a fact.

Ariza and Memo are friends, and Ariza has worked with and under Memo in his career. So to pick and chose when this matters to you is laughable.

Ariza has links to PEDs, it's just as simple as that. It's one or the other, you have to pick one either both are drug cheats or both aren't for that reason.

As for the Rios incident, the banned substance he tested positive for was a dietary supplement and NOT a PED/EPO/steroid like Memo provided to an ENORMOUS pool of clients.

Methylhexaneamine is banned substance, thus a PED on the banned list by WADA. So your spin isn't going to work. Ariza's athlete's have popped for PEDs, that's a fact.

Also, I'm pretty sure that Mayweather would've done his due diligence and decided not to hire him if there was any su****ion of wrongdoing on his part.

https://www.boxingscene.com/articles...iled-drug-test

How could you possibly know that?

That is the literal equivalent to saying "I'm pretty sure Marquez would have done his due diligence on Memo and would not hire him if he wasn't sure that he was reformed and no longer involved in the PED game as he claims"

You can't just make up argument We have no clue if Mayweather brought Ariza in for PED help or not. For all we know that's the exact reason he did. That's not an argument.

The long and short of it here is, there is no evidence that either Marquez, or Pacquaio, used PEDs.

Working with someone linked to PEDs, is not evidence they did and nothing more than opinion and speculation. And, if you deem one a drug cheat on that basis then you have to do the same with every athlete that has worked with someone linked to PEDs. Simple as that.

[Roadblock]

Complete BS...firstly, DLH had only been fighting ONE weight division higher for the past few years so don't act like he was making an enormous sacrifice and dropping down several weight classes to fight Manny. Secondly, he fought Forbes at a 150lbs catchweight in the preceding fight and there have been a MILLION and one fighter's who've boiled down to make weight and then put on an enormous amount of weight overnight. Therefore, all factors considered, he didn't make a drastic weight cut, he fought below Junior Middleweight just 6 months prior to the Pacquiao fight and CHOSE not to bulk up on fight night because he wanted to be LIGHTER on his feet to counteract Pacquiao's insane speed which obviously backfired.

Another idiot that knows nothing, as I said haters are so dumb. He didn't make the weight with Forbes a LW who nearly beat him, then he had to lose more weight for Manny and came in lighter than Manny after IV Fluids, its common knowledge duffass ODH was a drained rag, he gained 2lbs you idiot lol and says himself he was dead man walking that he knew in the ring walk he was fkd.

[djtmal]

Another idiot that knows nothing, as I said haters are so dumb. He didn't make the weight with Forbes a LW who nearly beat him, then he had to lose more weight for Manny and came in lighter than Manny after IV Fluids, its common knowledge duffass ODH was a drained rag, he gained 2lbs you idiot lol and says himself he was dead man walking that he knew in the ring walk he was fkd.

That's his excuse and he is sticking to it

[Roadblock]

That's his excuse and he is sticking to it

I know, you have the same ignorance as that idiot does, you fanboy/haters should at least step into a boxing gym to smell the leather because you really know nothing about the sport from the inside which is a big part of being such a hater, guys that boxed and come from inside the sport don't hate on fighters, only brain dead fans like you do.

[TheProudLunatic]

....and what pray tell would the big difference be

Pac made sure we will never know.

Some warrior

[djtmal]

I know, you have the same ignorance as that idiot does, you fanboy/haters should at least step into a boxing gym to smell the leather because you really know nothing about the sport from the inside which is a big part of being such a hater, guys that boxed and come from inside the sport don't hate on fighters, only brain dead fans like you do.

Nobody is hating on nobody.

You just mad because your excuses don't get any traction

[djtmal]

Pac made sure we will never know.

Some warrior

Yeah right he beat the brakes off Cotto

[TheProudLunatic]

Yeah right he beat the brakes off the worst version of Cotto

Fixed it for you

Pac Bois are easy to please