Is losing so big of a deal in the US boxing scene?

[brettWall]

I believe so. Why else is the rampant inactivity so widespread?

[brettWall]

I mean I saw Tim Tzsyu in a panel with Australian hosts in the Thurman/Jarvis coverage. And I was thinking this guy must be itching and can't wait to go back in the ring. But then I thought he's Australian. Liam Wilson was decapitated by Oscar Valdez, yet was seen again in the ring after 4 months with a win, then another in a rematch. Zerafa was dominated by Lara, but went back with a win after 5 months, then another last week.

[brettWall]

Where is Frank Martin? Where is Delos Santos, Charlos, Spence?

Where TF is Crawford, is he so scared of losing he can't take any interim fight while waiting for his turn in a Canelo sweepstakes?

[SouthpawRight]

This is where the influence of Dana white and tko could change the culture for the better

UFC guys losing isn’t this major setback

boxing is too quick to write guys off and call them bums after a loss

This is wrong

Fulton was destroyed but is going onto have a good career

Bivol didn’t get the decision in fight 1 only to beat the same opponent in an immediate rematch and become the man

[MulaKO]

Yes , in North America it is all about conserving your 0
It has been that way since Floyd made it clear that was a no no
Unfortunately it’s bullchit but boxers today seem to follow instead of leading

[crimsonfalcon07]

I'd much rather see the best fight the best. I just don't think that most of them are in it to be the best. They're more into fame and money and don't really want to work hard

Crawford is strange. He's a total gym rat, but rarely fights anymore. He could have easily eclipsed Floyd's 50-0 record just by fighting more often. Or he could have gone for legacy by taking the Fundora fight he literally asked for. Or he could have gotten paid way better earlier in his career if he hadn't re-signed with Top Rank. What does he even want?

I'll be curious to see where Bivol wants to go with his career, especially after the Beterbiev chapter is closed, since he's still relatively young. But as I see it, only Inoue and Usyk have a claim to wanting to challenge themselves and prove that they're the best, and neither really has any more to prove in my opinion. Maybe Bam Rodriguez will find himself in that realm.

I will say that American fans have just as much to own as the fighters on this front. Look how much disrespect Lomachenko gets for having the losses he does on his record, even though they all have major asterisks around them.

Salido came to the ring as a welterweight for a 126lb fight, and landed at minimum 52 low blows during the fight, and Loma lost by controversial split decision. But fans these days think that Salido clearly beat him up.

He went into surgery right after the Lopez fight for an injury suffered 6 weeks prior. He should have rescheduled the fight IMO, but it is what it is. I think he gave away 7 rounds and never had a chance. But Lopez had zero interest in offering a rematch, and likely still wouldn't risk it. Loma kept it close even fighting effectively one armed. But he doesn't get any credit for that from American fans. And this is the least controversial loss on his record.

Haney clearly lost the fight according to most observers, even ones that had picked Haney to win thought he lost (even Shakur). Yet again, Haney ran from the rematch.

But, as a result of those controversial losses, American fans seem to think he's an overrated bum who shouldn't even make it into the HOF, even though there's plenty of people, particularly Americans, whose presence in the HOF is questionable at best, and have considerably worse resumes.

[SouthpawRight]

I'd much rather see the best fight the best. I just don't think that most of them are in it to be the best. They're more into fame and money and don't really want to work hard

Crawford is strange. He's a total gym rat, but rarely fights anymore. He could have easily eclipsed Floyd's 50-0 record just by fighting more often. Or he could have gone for legacy by taking the Fundora fight he literally asked for. Or he could have gotten paid way better earlier in his career if he hadn't re-signed with Top Rank. What does he even want?

I'll be curious to see where Bivol wants to go with his career, especially after the Beterbiev chapter is closed, since he's still relatively young. But as I see it, only Inoue and Usyk have a claim to wanting to challenge themselves and prove that they're the best, and neither really has any more to prove in my opinion. Maybe Bam Rodriguez will find himself in that realm.

I will say that American fans have just as much to own as the fighters on this front. Look how much disrespect Lomachenko gets for having the losses he does on his record, even though they all have major asterisks around them.

Salido came to the ring as a welterweight for a 126lb fight, and landed at minimum 52 low blows during the fight, and Loma lost by controversial split decision. But fans these days think that Salido clearly beat him up.

He went into surgery right after the Lopez fight for an injury suffered 6 weeks prior. He should have rescheduled the fight IMO, but it is what it is. I think he gave away 7 rounds and never had a chance. But Lopez had zero interest in offering a rematch, and likely still wouldn't risk it. Loma kept it close even fighting effectively one armed. But he doesn't get any credit for that from American fans. And this is the least controversial loss on his record.

Haney clearly lost the fight according to most observers, even ones that had picked Haney to win thought he lost (even Shakur). Yet again, Haney ran from the rematch.

But, as a result of those controversial losses, American fans seem to think he's an overrated bum who shouldn't even make it into the HOF, even though there's plenty of people, particularly Americans, whose presence in the HOF is questionable at best, and have considerably worse resumes.

TBud has dud hands off approach

Bivol has these on the horizon after Artur 3: Bena, Jai, and Artur’s Cousin Imam

[IceTrayDaGang]

because 90% of the new generation of boxers didnt come up poor. some of them came from a broken family, but they were taken in by a coach, etc. at an early age, and got introduce to boxing, so they never get to experience the real struggle. which is why they are not trying to push themselves to be the best version.

[jqSide]

Where is Frank Martin? Where is Delos Santos, Charlos, Spence?
Where TF is Crawford, is he so scared of losing he can't take any interim fight while waiting for his turn in a Canelo sweepstakes?

You have to mention Haney also. He can't even fight his mando Sandor Martin because the money is not enough according to him.

[Sparked_26]

I think 99 5 % of all fighters themselves would box if given the dates to have a camp and good money.

Sometimes even just the money is enough.

Martin Bakole looked like he hadn't thrown a punch at anything since that Anderson win but he flew from Congo to Saudi, took a fight on a day's notice against a world level heavy who had a full camp....and got predictably whacked.

Make no mistake old Turki could make most boxers hop on a plane and get splattered if he put up the money.

It's still prizefighting.

There was the weird era when you did have boxers like Gary Russell Jr getting paid a million dollars to beat up one of the Hylands and several similar fights. Those days are long, long, long gone now. Nobody is watching that now. Absolutely zero market for it.