Comments Thread For: Eddie Hearn offers his views on potential creation of boxing league

[TMLT87]

The sheer hilarity of talking about the UFC not having world champions when the current HW boxing champ and p4p no1 has been fighting nothing but Brits for over 5 years

[TMLT87]

The UFC is considered one of the best sport franchises in mixed martial arts, that is why they refer to the champions in the UFC as World Champions. But technically they are not World Champions, they are only Champions of a minuscule franchise in terms participation compared to boxing'.

Like I mentioned in my early posts 'My high school had a higher number of pupils, than there are active fighters in the UFC'.

The HW world champion of boxings HW resume consists of Chazz Witherspoon and 4 Brits. You know how many HWs there are in Britain? 63 currently. 34 if you remove the ones that dont have winning records and/or havent had more than 5 fights.

Did your high school have more pupils than that?

[PRINCEKOOL]

You are getting hung up on semantics here. What does it matter if you slap an "official" "national" title on something or not? why exactly does it mean more to you than someone being an MMA "franchise" champion in a promotion that largely draws in talent from a certain country/region? I mean Wardley being the British HW champ already exposes how ****** and meaningless this concept is. Hes isnt the best HW in Britain but conversely he obviously isnt domestic level either. So what exactly is the title supposed to convey about his level?

I am highlighting how when a sport is dominated and run by a Franchise sports model 'This completely decimates, devalues and reduces vast sections of any individual sport. Because a Franchise business model, is not concerned with domestic, or European levels of any sport. They are only concerned with the select few fighters, competing under their brand for the franchise title. And they have a business incentive to try and promote those fighters as the best in the World'.

One of the big major marketing ploys of this TKO Boxing league 'Is that it is going to be the best fighting the best. Dana White has already stated that WE all know the concept i.e. he was referring to the UFC. As I have told you before the UFC consist of less than 1000 active fighters, in British boxing there are more than 1000 active fighters being governed by the British boxing board of control. And yes most of those fighters, are not the absolute best in the World. But nevertheless they are fighters, all with different aims and goals. Area Champions, British Champions, European Champions and World Champions'.

This was the major reason why in the sport of soccer 'The European Super League was rejected, and an extreme counter attack was immediately seen within the UK. Because the franchise sports soccer league, would have dismantled the performance ladder in the sport. Soccer is a sport were a team playing at semi professionally level, has every opportunity to one day? Reach the premier league on merit, through their performances. This can only really be achieved, in an open class sport which does not discriminate or marginalized against its competitors'.

Most of the World's global sports, operate not under a franchise sports model 'They are all open class sports, and the majority of the participation levels in those sports is not at top level. It is at grass roots, and domestic levels'.

The British title is not a meaningless title, next to the Ring Magazine belt 'It is most likely the most prestigious title in all of boxing. Fighters such as Frank Bruno, and Chris Eubank Senior have expressed? That they regretted not ever fighting for the British titles. Carl Froch who was a former two time World Super Middle Weight Champion, and hall of fame fighter. Has stated that one of the best title that he ever won, was the British Lonsdale title'.

A candidate for fight of the year in British boxing during 2024, was Frazier Clarke vs Fabio Wardley 'The contest was a fight for the Lonsdale British title'.

And in my personally opinion 'Chris Eubank Junior vs Nick Blackwell, was one of the best British title fights that have happened in the past 15 years. A fight which during the aftermath, had brutal consequences for Nick Blackwell. Those fights are not meaningless, they are a part of boxing and British fighting culture'.

Anyway to answer your questions -

British HW champion? the literal UFC HW champion (well...interim technically) is British, Tom Aspinall. If you want someone outside of UFC level? the obvious answer is Phil De Fries, a guy who went 2-3 in the UFC but is currently 11 title defences deep in KSW, which given KSWs status as being (alongside Oktagon in recent times) the biggest and best promotion in Europe, arguably makes him the "European" champion as well. With the only better Euro/British HWs around being in the UFC or PFL, which are world level.

French HW champ? errr..this guy called Ngannou I guess, on accounts of being the UFC champ, never actually losing his belt and now being champ in the PFL. No2 being Gane who is a top 5ish in the world guy. if you want some guy who is specifically French/Euro level? watch Ares FC or Hexagone considering they are the two big French promotions and draw talent mainly from that part of the world.

American HW champ? Jon Jones is officially the UFC champ, albeit a paper one. You want a none-UFC guy? Bailey Schoenfelder I guess as he seems to be the only current American HW champ in a US based promotion (Cage Fury), and as if to illustrate the point about levels, off the back of becoming champ in that promotion, he got a shot on Dana Whites Contender Series a few months ago and was wiped out in under 2 mins by a guy who was then awarded a UFC contract.

But I suppose if we just slap meaningless "national champion" status on these guys it suddenly changes everything?

As I anticipated you have not answered the questions honesty, because you know there is no such thing as a domestic and European level in the sports of mixed martial arts. There are only individual franchise champions'.

Franchise business models exist in sport and in everyday life 'There Franchise business. And when you attend those business they are only promoting their own in house products. That is it. Anything that exists outside of the franchise does not matter, they are ether deemed as a threat or competitors'. Those franchise business models can be seen across many sectors, and everyone? With any business acumen or awareness understands how they work'.

Tom Aspinall is not the British Champion, he competes in the UFC 'And is one of their franchise champions. Interim Champion apparently'. But if you class Tom Aspinall as the British Champion, then by your logic? Tyson Fury should still be regarded as the British Champion in Heavyweight boxing. Just because he was from Great Britain, and currently still the highest ranking fighter in the country'.

Whatever team wins the UEFA Champions league this year in soccer 'Should automatically, then win the premier league. Even if they did not win the National league. But well who cares? They have just won the European league which is a higher level league'.

That is the flawed logic and reasoning, you are using to avoid answering my questions honestly 'There is no definitive, British, French or American national champions in the sports of mixed martial arts. There are only individual champions of a franchise'.

The UFC does not market itself is a domestic level franchise 'They consider themselves, as showcasing the best select few fighters in the World. Which as I have told you before? The high school which I went to had a higher number of pupils than there are active fighters in the UFC, it is minuscule sporting franchise in terms of participation compared to boxing as a open class sport'

TMLT87, there are no grass roots, domestic, or European levels in the sport of Mixed Martial arts 'Not to the same level and vastness as there are in other global sports that are not run and dominated by franchise sports business models'.

To conclude: It is clear that this debate is over. You have been reduced to using computer smiley's and attempting to mock and demean all time great boxing Champions such as Oleksandr Uysk. I have personally stated all they needed to be said in this thread, at least from my perspective on this particular subject in regards to sports franchise and their effects upon sports. I have without a shadow of a doubt, proven my points to be 1000% correct. Backed up by objective facts, which are observable and measurable within sport, business and everyday life.

It was Rocky Balboa who stated that 'Boxing is a metaphor to life. Meaning that metaphorically on a micro level, the very things that boxers experience. The challenges they take on, the fights they endure. The courage they show, the victories they achieve, the losses they suffer. This is also mirrored in everyday life. Because to live is to fight, we are all fighting something at many different levels. Life is not a franchise, it is a open class battle field both in the physical realm and immaterial. It is the resistance we show, that confirms that we are still alive and in the game' etc.

[TMLT87]

I am highlighting how when a sport is dominated and run by a Franchise sports model 'This completely decimates, devalues and reduces vast sections of any individual sport. Because a Franchise business model, is not concerned with domestic, or European levels of any sport. They are only concerned with the select few fighters, competing under their brand for the franchise title. And they have a business incentive to try and promote those fighters as the best in the World'.

One of the big major marketing ploys of this TKO Boxing league 'Is that it is going to be the best fighting the best. Dana White has already stated that WE all know the concept i.e. he was referring to the UFC. As I have told you before the UFC consist of less than 1000 active fighters, in British boxing there are more than 1000 active fighters being governed by the British boxing board of control. And yes most of those fighters, are not the absolute best in the World. But nevertheless they are fighters, all with different aims and goals. Area Champions, British Champions, European Champions and World Champions'.

This was the major reason why in the sport of soccer 'The European Super League was rejected, and an extreme counter attack was immediately seen within the UK. Because the franchise sports soccer league, would have dismantled the performance ladder in the sport. Soccer is a sport were a team playing at semi professionally level, has every opportunity to one day? Reach the premier league on merit, through their performances. This can only really be achieved, in an open class sport which does not discriminate or marginalized against its competitors'.

Most of the World's global sports, operate not under a franchise sports model 'They are all open class sports, and the majority of the participation levels in those sports is not at top level. It is at grass roots, and domestic levels'.

The British title is not a meaningless title, next to the Ring Magazine belt 'It is most likely the most prestigious title in all of boxing. Fighters such as Frank Bruno, and Chris Eubank Senior have expressed? That they regretted not ever fighting for the British titles. Carl Froch who was a former two time World Super Middle Weight Champion, and hall of fame fighter. Has stated that one of the best title that he ever won, was the British Lonsdale title'.

A candidate for fight of the year in British boxing during 2024, was Frazier Clarke vs Fabio Wardley 'The contest was a fight for the Lonsdale British title'.

And in my personally opinion 'Chris Eubank Junior vs Nick Blackwell, was one of the best British title fights that have happened in the past 15 years. A fight which during the aftermath, had brutal consequences for Nick Blackwell. Those fights are not meaningless, they are a part of boxing and British fighting culture'.



As I anticipated you have not answered the questions honesty, because you know there is no such thing as a domestic and European level in the sports of mixed martial arts. There are only individual franchise champions'.

Franchise business models exist in sport and in everyday life 'There Franchise business. And when you attend those business they are only promoting their own in house products. That is it. Anything that exists outside of the franchise does not matter, they are ether deemed as a threat or competitors'. Those franchise business models can be seen across many sectors, and everyone? With any business acumen or awareness understands how they work'.

Tom Aspinall is not the British Champion, he competes in the UFC 'And is one of their franchise champions. Interim Champion apparently'. But if you class Tom Aspinall as the British Champion, then by your logic? Tyson Fury should still be regarded as the British Champion in Heavyweight boxing. Just because he was from Great Britain, and currently still the highest ranking fighter in the country'.

Whatever team wins the UEFA Champions league this year in soccer 'Should automatically, then win the premier league. Even if they did not win the National league. But well who cares? They have just won the European league which is a higher level league'.

That is the flawed logic and reasoning, you are using to avoid answering my questions honestly 'There is no definitive, British, French or American national champions in the sports of mixed martial arts. There are only individual champions of a franchise'.

The UFC does not market itself is a domestic level franchise 'They consider themselves, as showcasing the best select few fighters in the World. Which as I have told you before? The high school which I went to had a higher number of pupils than there are active fighters in the UFC, it is minuscule sporting franchise in terms of participation compared to boxing as a open class sport'

TMLT87, there are no grass roots, domestic, or European levels in the sport of Mixed Martial arts 'Not to the same level and vastness as there are in other global sports that are not run and dominated by franchise sports business models'.

To conclude: It is clear that this debate is over. You have been reduced to using computer smiley's and attempting to mock and demean all time great boxing Champions such as Oleksandr Uysk. I have personally stated all they needed to be said in this thread, at least from my perspective on this particular subject in regards to sports franchise and their effects upon sports. I have without a shadow of a doubt, proven my points to be 1000% correct. Backed up by objective facts, which are observable and measurable within sport, business and everyday life.

It was Rocky Balboa who stated that 'Boxing is a metaphor to life. Meaning that metaphorically on a micro level, the very things that boxers experience. The challenges they take on, the fights they endure. The courage they show, the victories they achieve, the losses they suffer. This is also mirrored in everyday life. Because to live is to fight, we are all fighting something at many different levels. Life is not a franchise, it is a open class battle field both in the physical realm and immaterial. It is the resistance we show, that confirms that we are still alive and in the game' etc.

Again, you are getting hung up on semantics. "Franchise" this, "116 year old belt" that.

Its as simple as this...

Are UFC fighters competing against a domestic or international talent pool?

Are there MMA gyms in basically every decent sized urban area in just about every none third world country?

Are there promotions based in multiple nations running decent scale/level MMA events across multiple different countries and continents?

Is there a clear difference in levels between local/regional promotions, European level promotions like KSW, and the UFC?

Is the UFC watched by a domestic or international audience?

Is 7000-10,000 pros globally (vs 20-25k for boxing) so much of a disparity for you that you call one a global sport and the other not?

Does the UFC not have typically around 800 fighters on its roster, which is a relatively massive proportion of its sports entire talent pool?

Do you not have to fight your way into the UFC first?

Do you think the best MMA fighters are actually outside of the UFC?



THIS is the criteria that matters in defining whether their champions are world champions or not. Not whether the belt they hold says "UFC" rather than "WBC"

As for criticizing Usyk, I am an Usyk fan obviously, but you've got to admit its funny how you're disparaging UFC champions as not being "world" champs when the current p4p no1 and HW champ in boxing has fought nothing but Brits for over 5 years, for 6 of his 7 HW fights, and 8 of his last 10 total fights. Meanwhile a guy like Aspinall, who is a "franchise" champ to you, has fought opponents from 6 different nationalities since Usyk last fought someone who wasnt from the UK.

[TMLT87]

Oh and another thing PRINCEKOOL

You previously classed rugby as a global sport. I actually am a rugby fan (much more league, but still), that sport is much more centralized to a small handful of nations (both talent wise and fanbase wise) than MMA is. I mean we've currently got a "major international" rugby tournament going on that has a grand total of 6 teams in it.....and 4 of them come from Britain and Ireland.

Beyond that, do you honestly think if you went around every country on the planet talking to random people bringing up big rugby names, talking about whats going on in rugby atm etc etc you'd get a higher response rate from a wider range of nationalities and demographics than if you did the same with the UFC?

[RingoKid]

If you are a honest poster, you will concede that I have proven you wrong in this section of the debate 'Everyone on this forum, can see that I am 1000% correct'..

Bro...Everyone on this forum can see that youre 1000% getting your ass handed back to you in shreds.