Comments Thread For: Eddie Hearn hopes to sign Bam-Martinez within two weeks

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So having close fights with a past prime Estrada almost 3 years ago proves he a top fighter in the division today? 1 fight in almost 3 years is active? Not even being ranked in the division top 10 means your a top fighter in the division? You are literally just saying nonsense.

If Bam fights choco its a cherry pick, consistent with his whole career. When he is going to fight someone good in their prime?

he literally moved up in weight on short notice to fight #6 cuadras, then fought rungvisai who was Ring #1. Cherry picking? Makes no sense. He moved back to his divison and fought Edwards #1. Right after he announced he was moving down nakatanj announced he was moving up so no he's not avoiding him.

when #1 estrada was ready to fight he fought him but nakatani was gone by then. He's now trying to fight martinez who is #2. He doesn't control the top guys and what age they are. It's true some were past their best but bam himself just gained prominence. This isn't a Floyd wait for them to age situation.

[IronDanHamza]

he literally moved up in weight on short notice to fight #6 cuadras, then fought rungvisai who was Ring #1. Cherry picking? Makes no sense. He moved back to his divison and fought Edwards #1. Right after he announced he was moving down nakatanj announced he was moving up so no he's not avoiding him.

when #1 estrada was ready to fight he fought him but nakatani was gone by then. He's now trying to fight martinez who is #2. He doesn't control the top guys and what age they are. It's true some were past their best but bam himself just gained prominence. This isn't a Floyd wait for them to age situation.

Woahhhhhhhh look at Mr Rankings go!! Love a good ranking, don't you boy?

Your self awareness is legitimately on zero. It's comical. I don't know if it's more sad than it is funny.

Rungvisai 35 years old coming off a loss + 3 wins over unranked fighters and no ranked wins in 4 years and none since. But ranked #1 so GREAT WIN!!!!

Literally in a thread yesterday; Miguel Cotto ranked #1 at Jr MW in 2012? Terrible cherry pick

Even though Cotto was 32, coming off a loss to Pacquaio and 3 wins, one over a ranked fighter and two over unranked fighters, then after that beat multiple ranked fighters.

Yet Rungvisai is a good legit win and Miguel Cotto is a cherry pick and not a legit win..


I often wonder, do you know how dumb you sound? Everyone knows if you swapped that exact Rungvisai scenario with any fighter you spend your every dying moment of life obsessing over you'd consider it a joke/not legit/cherrypick etc but when it's a fighter you fancy you deem it the opposite? You know that's retarded, right?

[Bob]

Edward & the other money draining promoters are scrambling.
The owners of the ufc are finalising a deal with Turki & Rhiyad to run they're boxing league with 1 name 1 face 1 title & only 1 promoter.
How it will work? It might take a few years but money talks.

[James Hunt]

Hearn ain't gonna do šhit, except continue running his uncontrollable mouth about making this fight, or as per usual.

[BlackRobb]

Nakatani is not going to fight Bam before he gets the Inoue fight. That's just pure fantasy.

Why not? Nakatani is very confident he would fold Bam. I tend to agree.

[Oracle01]

he literally moved up in weight on short notice to fight #6 cuadras, then fought rungvisai who was Ring #1. Cherry picking? Makes no sense. He moved back to his divison and fought Edwards #1. Right after he announced he was moving down nakatanj announced he was moving up so no he's not avoiding him.

when #1 estrada was ready to fight he fought him but nakatani was gone by then. He's now trying to fight martinez who is #2. He doesn't control the top guys and what age they are. It's true some were past their best but bam himself just gained prominence. This isn't a Floyd wait for them to age situation.

Their rankings still don't change the fact they were all old, inactive, and past their prime. 35+ year old fly weights with 60 fights might as well be 100 years old. His best win over a prime opponent was sunny, which shrivelled up to nothing after he was ran through by a dude with 8 fights.

[CPNUTKnockoutFreshMart]

If you want to criticize and tear apart a fighters competition , it's entirely doable with any fighter in history , the ones you like , and especially the ones that you don't like. I don't see the point in it.

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Woahhhhhhhh look at Mr Rankings go!! Love a good ranking, don't you boy?

Your self awareness is legitimately on zero. It's comical. I don't know if it's more sad than it is funny.

Rungvisai 35 years old coming off a loss + 3 wins over unranked fighters and no ranked wins in 4 years and none since. But ranked #1 so GREAT WIN!!!!

Literally in a thread yesterday; Miguel Cotto ranked #1 at Jr MW in 2012? Terrible cherry pick

Even though Cotto was 32, coming off a loss to Pacquaio and 3 wins, one over a ranked fighter and two over unranked fighters, then after that beat multiple ranked fighters.

Yet Rungvisai is a good legit win and Miguel Cotto is a cherry pick and not a legit win..


I often wonder, do you know how dumb you sound? Everyone knows if you swapped that exact Rungvisai scenario with any fighter you spend your every dying moment of life obsessing over you'd consider it a joke/not legit/cherrypick etc but when it's a fighter you fancy you deem it the opposite? You know that's retarded, right?

floyd waited 5 years to fight cotto and 2 knockout losses. when did bam wait 5 years to fight rungvisai? he didnt. how many times was rungvisai knocked out recently? none. do you know what cherry picking is? floyd waited till cotto wasnt as good and then he fought him. thats cherry picking. bam clearly didnt do that to rungvisai. bam won his first belt and fought rungvisai in his first defense. 2 completely different situations there. so yes floyd cherry picked cotto. thats not really debatable? if you want to debate floyd cherry picking and beating cotto was a better win than bams non cherry pick win over rungvisai thats fine and we will do that now...

cotto at 154 had 1 top 10 win and that was yuri foreman who wasnt even top 5. rungvisai at 115 had 3 top wins over roman #1 and estrada #1. so if you look at how good each fighter was in that division rungvisai blows away cotto. if you want to look at recent losses cotto had been ko'd twice and had a debatable win vs clottey(i scored it for clottey) rungvisais only recent blemish was a razor close loss to estrada. so if you look at freshness and how each fighter was trending cotto was trending down down down and rungvisai hadnt shown much of a downward spiral besides getting older which is why i said he wasnt at his best. of course age is going to dull your skills over time but we know cotto was not the same fighter as 5 years prior, we dont necessarily know that about rungvisai besides him naturally getting older.

what if rungvisai had been ko'd twice at 112, moved up to 115 and gotten a mid win and then bam beat him when rungvisai was 32. thats not a great win. what if floyd had fought cotto at 147 after cotto beat marg twice and went 1-1 vs pac only losing a close decision. that would be a pretty impressive win even if cotto was 35. those things didnt happen though so we can only judge what actually happened. theres no evidence rungvisai was on a huge downswing except being 35, which isnt ideal and which is why i said he wasnt at his best, we know cotto wasnt at his best since he had been losing and struggling badly for years and we know he wasnt at his best weight. i dont think its close and i dont think floyd beating cotto was a bad win, its just not a great win. maybe the rungvisai win isnt great for bam but i think it is better than floyd over cotto for those 3 big factors: weight division, recent resume and freshness. your biggest factor as to why rungvisai wasnt good seems to be age, usyk is 38 so is he shot? no. beterbiev is 40 is he shot? no.

[IronDanHamza]

floyd waited 5 years to fight cotto and 2 knockout losses. when did bam wait 5 years to fight rungvisai? he didnt. how many times was rungvisai knocked out recently? none. do you know what cherry picking is? floyd waited till cotto wasnt as good and then he fought him. thats cherry picking. bam clearly didnt do that to rungvisai. bam won his first belt and fought rungvisai in his first defense. 2 completely different situations there. so yes floyd cherry picked cotto. thats not really debatable? if you want to debate floyd cherry picking and beating cotto was a better win than bams non cherry pick win over rungvisai thats fine and we will do that now...

cotto at 154 had 1 top 10 win and that was yuri foreman who wasnt even top 5. rungvisai at 115 had 3 top wins over roman #1 and estrada #1. so if you look at how good each fighter was in that division rungvisai blows away cotto. if you want to look at recent losses cotto had been ko'd twice and had a debatable win vs clottey(i scored it for clottey) rungvisais only recent blemish was a razor close loss to estrada. so if you look at freshness and how each fighter was trending cotto was trending down down down and rungvisai hadnt shown much of a downward spiral besides getting older which is why i said he wasnt at his best. of course age is going to dull your skills over time but we know cotto was not the same fighter as 5 years prior, we dont necessarily know that about rungvisai besides him naturally getting older.

what if rungvisai had been ko'd twice at 112, moved up to 115 and gotten a mid win and then bam beat him when rungvisai was 32. thats not a great win. what if floyd had fought cotto at 147 after cotto beat marg twice and went 1-1 vs pac only losing a close decision. that would be a pretty impressive win even if cotto was 35. those things didnt happen though so we can only judge what actually happened. theres no evidence rungvisai was on a huge downswing except being 35, which isnt ideal and which is why i said he wasnt at his best, we know cotto wasnt at his best since he had been losing and struggling badly for years and we know he wasnt at his best weight. i dont think its close and i dont think floyd beating cotto was a bad win, its just not a great win. maybe the rungvisai win isnt great for bam but i think it is better than floyd over cotto.

Do your arms hurt by how far you’ve just moved the goalposts?

You literally just said Rungvisai isn’t a cherry pick because he was ranked #1. You just said that. That was your argument. You know we can see what you post, right?

So if Rungvisai isn’t a cherry pick on the sole basis he was ranked #1 then how on the same argument can Cotto be a cherry pick who was also ranked #1? How can both of things happen at the same time? They can’t. Thats what’s commonly known as a contradiction and would make you a hypocrite.

Knowing how highly you regard rankings, Rungvisai hadn’t beaten a ranked fighter in 4 years prior to figthting Bam and he hasn’t beaten a ranked fighter since losing to Bam. Yet, not a cherry pick, because he was ranked #1.

Cotto on the other hand had beaten a ranked fighter 2 fights prior to fighting Floyd and after losing to Floyd beat multiple ranked fighters. Was ranked #1, but was a cherry pick,

You can’t have both, you need to pick one or make a new argument.

Otherwise, you look like a total hypocritical retard. As dumb as you are, surely you understand that?

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Do your arms hurt by how far you’ve just moved the goalposts?

You literally just said Rungvisai isn’t a cherry pick because he was ranked #1. You just said that. That was your argument. You know we can see what you post, right?

So if Rungvisai isn’t a cherry pick on the sole basis he was ranked #1 then how on the same argument can Cotto be a cherry pick who was also ranked #1? How can both of things happen at the same time? They can’t. Thats what’s commonly known as a contradiction and would make you a hypocrite.

Knowing how highly you regard rankings, Rungvisai hadn’t beaten a ranked fighter in 4 years prior to figthting Bam and he hasn’t beaten a ranked fighter since losing to Bam. Yet, not a cherry pick, because he was ranked #1.

Cotto on the other hand had beaten a ranked fighter 2 fights prior to fighting Floyd and after losing to Floyd beat multiple ranked fighters. Was ranked #1, but was a cherry pick,

You can’t have both, you need to pick one or make a new argument.

Otherwise, you look like a total hypocritical retard. As dumb as you are, surely you understand that?

i moved no goalposts sir. you made what is called a straw man argument. if you look what i wrote i said he won a belt then fought rungvisai who was #1. obviously the thing that proves it wasnt a cherry pick is the time it took him to fight rungvisai which was instantly. time was the major factor in that argument. I also wrote floyd waited 5 years to fight cotto. i see you didnt address that? i wonder why? because it defeats your entire argument! time was the major factor used in both those arguments, not the rankings but you are trying to conflate the two to your advantage but you got caught and exposed.

if you look at the timeline floyd ducked cotto and cherry picked him later, if you look at the timeline bam did not duck rungvisai and fought him instantly. so yes floyd cherry picked and bam didnt. yes they were both ranked #1 which i never disputed? thats when i started talking about the rankings at 154, their recent wins and losses etc...which show cotto was much more on the slide than rungvisai and rungvisai had a far superior resume etc.... cotto even lost to austin trout right after floyd so at 154 he was 1-2 against top 10 opponents. not good? rungvisai was 3-2. much better.

im sure you would agree bam wasnt waiting years and years to fight rungvisai right? im sure you would agree floyd and cotto were supposed to fight in 2007 right? im sure you would agree floyd and cotto didnt fight until 2012 right? im sure you would agree cotto was ko'd twice between 2007 and 2012 right? now that you have all that evidence can you really say it wasnt a cherry pick by floyd?

i just think that win over #6 yuri foreman is doing a lot of heavy lifting in your argument. rungvisai had 3 #1 wins and yes i realize they were years before fighting bam which i take into account, but im not going to say well hes completely done because in his last fight against a top guy he lost 7-5 to estrada, no shame in that and shows he still was a top guy. in cottos last fight against a top guy he lost 10 rounds before being ko'd, oh but he beat yuri foreman 2 years before fighting floyd...ok that shows he still has something left but the gulf between yuri foreman and estrada is huge wouldnt you agree?

we actually just saw a very similar thing play out with wilder and fury. fury hadnt fought a ranked fighter in 3 years when he fought wilder. he still won because he was still good. he didnt forget how to box or become shot. i know he was 30 and rungvisai 35 but what makes you the arbiter of deciding when a guy is old and when they arent? what if he was 34? 33? 32? etc...seems very arbitrary and i dont personally think 35 equals you cant box anymore especially looking at the guys out there these days who are much older.