Who is the tougher opponent: Israil Madrimov or Xander Zayas?

[rrayvez]

First you said it was just my opinion. Now that other people are sharing the same opinion you move the goalposts and say the opinion of BoxingScene commenters doesn’t matter.

Why don’t you vote in the poll? That way Zayas can at least get one pity vote and it doesn’t look so one-sided.

Saying it’s just your opinion doesn’t mean that others don’t share it. But it’s just what I said, it’s an opinion and isn’t based on fact so you can’t state it as such. Honest question, are you a reee-tart?

[ShoulderRoll]

Saying it’s just your opinion doesn’t mean that others don’t share it. But it’s just what I said, it’s an opinion and isn’t based on fact so you can’t state it as such. Honest question, are you a reee-tart?

Nobody seems to share your opinion, though. Which means that it must have been quite retarded.

[rrayvez]

Nobody seems to share your opinion, though. Which means that it must have been quite retarded.

Too bad for you, the opinion of 6 other non boxers on a website doesn’t translate into real world results. Facts are facts. Fook your feelings and irrelevant opinion.

[STREET CLEANER]

I don't think Zayas has the power to keep Ortiz off but you never know if he goes into the next level or he will sink.

[ShoulderRoll]

Too bad for you, the opinion of 6 other non boxers on a website doesn’t translate into real world results. Facts are facts. Fook your feelings and irrelevant opinion.

It’s the opinion of 13 voters so far, actually.

As opposed to 0 voters for Zayas. So you have a weak take not being backed up by boxing fans.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

Poll results from commenters on a boxing scene page don’t mean shyt and will never make it a fact. The only thing that does would be if they actually fight and we saw what happened. If you took a poll about who would be tougher for munguia , Canelo or Bruno Surace, everyone would say Canelo. But surace knocked munguia the fook out and Canelo won a lame uneventful decision. If you took a poll about who would be tougher for Crawford , Spence or madrimov, everyone would say Spence but who was the tougher fight? If you polled people and asked who would give Teofimo Lopez a tougher time, Loma or Kambosos, everyone would’ve said Loma. Your irrelevant opinion doesn’t mean shyt. You’re a nobody with an account on a website. All that matters is what happens in the ring.

With all due respect, this thread is an opinion based thread, not a fact based thread, as Virgil has not fought neither Xander nor Madrimov to determine who the tougher fight for Virgil actually is/was.

If your opinion is that Xander is a tougher fight for Virgil than Madrimov, well than vote and state your reasons as to why you feel Xander is the the tougher challenge. It is a fact that thus far, based on the poll results, most on here, if not all, feel that Madrimov would be the tougher challenge. It can also be argued that most of the boxing fans and boxing insiders would share in the same opinion.

With that being said, anything can happen up on that ring, but because Virgil hasn't fought neither one of them guys, opinion is the topic of this thread. Now, it appears that you and the thread starter might have issues or a misunderstanding due to another thread, which I'm not commenting, nor siding on.

[rrayvez]

It’s the opinion of 13 voters so far, actually.

As opposed to 0 voters for Zayas. So you have a weak take not being backed up by boxing fans.

1. If you had sense you’d understand that I never said which fighter I thought was tougher for Ortiz. I just stated that it’s your opinion and not based on fact. I also said saying that Ortiz is ducking Zayas would be using your same dumb logic of saying logic of boots is ducking Ortiz. So you making this poll only proves you’re an idiot who can’t read and are trying to make a point out of a fake narrative that no one else created other than you. You're a dummy, and that’s a fact.
2. I said we don’t know unless they fight and Xander has qualities that could definitely give Ortiz trouble. If you actually knew boxing or ever stepped in a ring instead of being a chalupa eating boxing scene poster, you’d know how boxing works and all the examples I previously gave before, prove that you can’t always predict which fighter would give a specific boxer a tougher time.
3. Ortiz just looked like shyt his last fight. He’s going to fight madrimov who is a strong boxer that gave Crawford a tough match. Crawford used to be a lightweight, was fighting at 154 for the first time, is an undersized but skilled counter puncher for 154, and madrimov style is an awkward come forward side to side approach. You’re saying it’s impossible that Ortiz, who is an aggressive fighter and won’t have to chase madrimov, would 100% have a tougher time with madrimov than Zayas who is taller , longer, younger, faster and moves around the ring more with his jab? Acting as if you know what’s tougher for a fact, when you don’t know shyt only proves your idiocy.

[rrayvez]

With all due respect, this thread is an opinion based thread, not a fact based thread, as Virgil has not fought neither Xander nor Madrimov to determine who the tougher fight for Virgil actually is/was.

If your opinion is that Xander is a tougher fight for Virgil than Madrimov, well than vote and state your reasons as to why you feel Xander is the the tougher challenge. It is a fact that thus far, based on the poll results, most on here, if not all, feel that Madrimov would be the tougher challenge. It can also be argued that most of the boxing fans and boxing insiders would share in the same opinion.

With that being said, anything can happen up on that ring, but because Virgil hasn't fought neither one of them guys, opinion is the topic of this thread. Now, it appears that you and the thread starter might have issues or a misunderstanding due to another thread, which I'm not commenting, nor siding on.

I agree with everything you said. My comment is based on the guy who created the thread, doing so because we had a debate on another page where he said Ortiz is taking the tougher fight in madrimov after I told him that’s his logic of saying boots is ducking Ortiz is the same irrational logic of saying Ortiz is ducking Zayas. I told him that’s his opinion and not based on fact and we wouldn’t know because styles make fights and there are aspects of how Zayas fights that could be a tougher stylistic matchup for Ortiz than madrimov. So he decided to make this poll to pretend that his opinion was fact. Look at my response to him above this comment and you’ll see more of why he made this irrelevant poll.

[ShoulderRoll]

1. If you had sense you’d understand that I never said which fighter I thought was tougher for Ortiz. I just stated that it’s your opinion and not based on fact. I also said saying that Ortiz is ducking Zayas would be using your same dumb logic of saying logic of boots is ducking Ortiz. So you making this poll only proves you’re an idiot who can’t read and are trying to make a point out of a fake narrative that no one else created other than you. You're a dummy, and that’s a fact.
2. I said we don’t know unless they fight and Xander has qualities that could definitely give Ortiz trouble. If you actually knew boxing or ever stepped in a ring instead of being a chalupa eating boxing scene poster, you’d know how boxing works and all the examples I previously gave before, prove that you can’t always predict which fighter would give a specific boxer a tougher time.
3. Ortiz just looked like shyt his last fight. He’s going to fight madrimov who is a strong boxer that gave Crawford a tough match. Crawford used to be a lightweight, was fighting at 154 for the first time, is an undersized but skilled counter puncher for 154, and madrimov style is an awkward come forward side to side approach. You’re saying it’s impossible that Ortiz, who is an aggressive fighter and won’t have to chase madrimov, would 100% have a tougher time with madrimov than Zayas who is taller , longer, younger, faster and moves around the ring more with his jab? Acting as if you know what’s tougher for a fact, when you don’t know shyt only proves your idiocy.

The only dumb logic is you trying to equate Boots ducking Vergil Ortiz to Zayas somehow.

They are in no way the same. You don’t duck someone by taking a tougher fight instead, which most everyone here agrees that Madrimov is.

[rrayvez]

The only dumb logic is you trying to equate Boots ducking Vergil Ortiz to Zayas somehow.

They are in no way the same. You don’t duck someone by taking a tougher fight instead, which most everyone here agrees that Madrimov is.

Again ya inbred, you don’t know who the tougher fight is unless they fight and you can’t duck someone who isn’t in your weight class and has 0 titles to offer, when you yourself have a title. The only basis you’re using to call it a duck is that a contract was sent and agreed to by one party. That’s exactly the same scenario for both boots and Ortiz and Ortiz and Zayas. Your logic just like you as a person, is inferior.